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This is episode 70 of the Bear and Curadh podcast.
We're going to talk about gay headlines.
Wait, before we do the first question, I want to apologize for the last episode.
This sound was just absolutely terrible.
Yeah, we tried something different.
We got a room at the library and it was just a soundproof recording room and it was anything
but that sound.
So bad.
It was a treasure.
The glass windows, the screaming kids, you could hear right through all kinds of reflective
surfaces.
It just, I'm glad we didn't pay anything to rent that.
Yeah, I would have been really mad if we didn't.
So, I apologize to you guys out there listening to us.
It won't happen again, no more road trips for a little while.
All right.
You want to carry on now?
Yes.
Okay.
First question, I guess we got here is, why do you think Mike Pence wants to restore Trump's
ban on transgender personnel in the United States military?
I think it's because he feels that by saying that he would get Trump's supporters without
any cost to himself or the Republicans or anything.
He thinks the transgender people have no lobbying power.
I think a lot of people think that and it's unfortunate.
Yeah.
And so, it's a hot button, it's a hot button conflict right now.
So, anything against the trans starts to write up, it really, you know what I mean.
So, it's almost like an easy notch in his belt to go after that, I think.
And almost the exact same arguments that they used against gay people 20 years ago.
Oh, yeah.
Exactly.
Including children and all kinds of nonsense.
That's exactly what it is.
It's nonsense.
It's sad because it's an easy target to go after, which is sad in and of itself.
But what we need to do is we need to band together and find it.
Well, all sexual minorities have that same problem.
Eventually, they're going to go after us all.
After they're done with the transgender, then they're going to go for the polyamorous people
and just on and on and on.
It's unfortunate that they feel to get support, they need to have an enemy.
Yeah.
Even if they have to make up that.
Instead of going for real issues like immigration and homelessness or, you know, poverty, poverty,
hunger.
All the real issues.
And instead of...
When's the last time you heard a Republican talk about hungry people?
Never.
I mean, it's...
In fact, they want to take away those food stamps, snap benefits.
You know, it's ridiculous.
It's, you know, it goes back to the, you know, just like one of the things that came around
this week was the device found at the women's clinic.
You know, someone put a, what they thought was a bomb at the women's clinic on the anniversary
of the, the one-year vote.
And for the, the timing, I mean, they're, they can't be coincidence.
No.
But I think it's amazing that these people will sit there and you're killing a baby, you're
killing a baby.
But yet, they're willing to kill people with a bomb.
With a bomb?
Where's the sanctity of life in that?
Yeah.
I don't, I don't, that's, that just blows my mind.
I don't understand.
But the same people who pick and choose which verses from the Bible they could honor.
Yeah.
Well, and it goes back to also, it's like we said about being hungry.
It's, they care for the baby until the baby's born.
And then if you need help with the baby after that, go back, pull yourself up by your bootstrap.
That's what they say.
And it's, so it's more important when it's, when it's a saga or, you know, and it's in
the womb than when it's actually here.
And then once it's, it's here, I'll forbid if it trends, you know, it's just, the hypocrisy
is mind numbing, not mind blowing, mind numbing, it just, it's, it's trouble and stupidity
drives me bonkers.
Well, don't be so meek, or how do you really feel, Curadh?
I'm sorry.
I'll get off my little soapbox.
It's only about a quarter of an inch high, but why are so many gay men, fans of the Barbie
doll and movie?
I, I imagine in mind some of them, they were a kid, it was a toy that they probably could
have played with because it was their sister's quote unquote, air quotes.
I think maybe or the fact that she's fabulous, I don't know, I never really did play with
dolls on the gay man that never played with tall, really.
Didn't have a GI Joe or anything.
They were action figures.
I'm kidding.
Well, no, I guess so, but I never, no, I never played with my sister's dolls though, but
yeah, I guess I did have dolls, but I don't know, I think maybe that's it.
I mean, what do you think?
It's fabulous.
Yeah.
People collect Barbie dolls.
I think some people collect them just to make money because they don't care about Barbie
or the idea or anything.
People used to collect meaty babies.
Oh, I see people bring them to the pawn shop, they bring out, for years, I remember one
cost for a night, for years I should say that, but I guess they have like a New Year's
Barbie and every year, like 2001 was like the millennium was a big Barbie and they've come
in with these extravagant Barbies brand new in the box and it just reminds me of the
big bang theory, like whenever they can, when you got a Spock transporter thing, you don't
open it up because it's not, it's not worth anything, you open the package up, so, but yeah,
I mean, there's people who try to sell them in the pawn shop and some of them would go
from pretty, pretty penny on eBay.
Do you plan on seeing the Barbie movie?
No.
I neither.
No, I didn't mind.
If I'm going to pick my battles, I'll talk you into going to a movie, which is not the
one.
It's not the one.
And even eventually, after they squeezed every dollar out of it, that they possibly can't,
you'll go on some kind of home video or streaming or something.
And even then, I don't think I'm going to watch it.
And, you know what, I probably will put it on and probably fall asleep to it.
Just to see what all the hubbub is about.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
Ryan Gosling's concert.
He might not know him.
He's been in a lot of different things.
If he's not a Baehr, I probably don't know, yeah, he probably not.
He's a tractor.
He's a tractor young man, but in the middle age guy, I mean, he was in the notebook that's
probably a woman who didn't know all about him, La, La land, I don't know, yeah, you can see
these.
You could go after the show, it's over after we're done recording, but he's not bad to look
at.
I mean, he's not, he's not a Baehr by, you know what I mean, it's not like I found him myself
looking at him, but not like some other Baehrs, but yeah, but no, I guess, I don't know,
I guess because she's fabulous, that's why people want to go to the movies and all that stuff.
Totally marketing.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
And I imagine it's probably just as many gay men when salt is women, probably, so do you think
Donald Trump will be running for president from jail?
Good question.
If no one, if nothing can stop him, I would say yes.
There's quite a bit of debate about whether or not you can preside from jail.
Has there been none before?
Never been tried.
Although I understand the guy who did the lion movie, what was that guy?
The gay guy who had an exotic zoo, Joe, Joe exotic, yeah, he's running for president from
jail.
Oh, no, legitimate person who can run.
I think the biggest speculation is he would like to run and become president so he can
pardon himself.
Yeah.
I know that he tried to get Trump to pardon him during the last election, or I'm talking
about Trump.
Trump wants to.
Oh, okay.
I thought you were going back to Joe exotic.
Well, of course, Trump's going to try anything.
I hope he doesn't get to that point.
I hope that the right pulls ahead of the butt and figures out someone else.
You know, the worse that whole situation gets the more popular, he becomes.
He's got, in percentages, he's got more votes than all of the Republican combined.
Well, how comes back to the stupidity levels, yeah, I would imagine when the New York times
did that poll, they gave people a list of Republican possibilities and they said, oh, I recognize
Trump.
That's who I'm going to pick.
And knowing nothing about their politics.
Yeah.
It's just like most of the voters here in Kansas, they go to all party lines without understanding.
And we talked about that an episode or two ago, that there might as well be a checkbox on
then, on the ballot for check all Republicans or check all Democrats.
Well, when we went to the historical museum last weekend, there was an exhibit about that,
about voting in Kansas.
And that's literally the way it started.
The parties printed their ballots and you either submitted the Republican ballot or the Democrat
ballot.
And literally everyone voted party line.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
It is crazy.
It's really, it's really loading.
I mean, it is loading, but is it really, I mean, your kind of, it's not official.
No.
I mean, it doesn't give you an option and here's your option, hey, that's it, it's, it's
crazy.
It's, it's absolutely nuts.
So, but I, pardon me, he says, I just can't see him being voted in again.
I really don't, but that's what scared there's a chance that he could get into office again.
And that scares the crap out of me.
Winning the vote and being sworn in are different things.
I believe that there is a requirement in the Constitution that in order to be sworn in
for the office that you cannot have, I don't think it's spelled out even that way.
It's something about criminal.
I know that in order to impeach somebody, they have to be guilty of high crimes and high,
high crimes and misdemeanors.
High crimes, that's right.
I would guess that whatever it is your required to be sworn in is probably something similar.
Yeah.
And I don't know what happens then.
If the, if the duly elected person can't be sworn in, what, what do we do then?
I don't know.
It'd be interesting to find out.
I hope we don't.
I hope somebody researches that, because that would be, I mean, would he get voted in
and then the press vice president would automatically take a spot?
I don't know.
I hope we don't find out.
I bet somebody's written about that.
I probably need to research that.
Yeah.
Whose turn, is it?
I think it's your turn.
Okay.
Why is it so easy to decide who to vote for in the city, mayor and school board elections
this year?
Well, we only did the primary vote.
I think it was just their stance where they came out on things.
I guess we should have turned that around and had you ask the question because I know the
answer.
Okay.
What's the answer?
Well, the answer is for the first time ever, the candidates are talking about gay
issues.
And the paper is publishing it.
Oh, okay.
Every election up until the last few has always been not voting for the candidate you want,
but voting against the one that's worse.
But all of the candidates, well, almost all of the candidates were willing to talk about
gay and transgender issues.
She's the paper and the paper published it.
Oh, wow.
I didn't realize that.
And now, the one I ended up voting for was actually sort of my third choice because the first
one, well, the first two, while gay positive, either pissed me off or just doesn't represent
gay values.
I don't want to get really specific because it'd be easy for people to figure out who those
were.
I voted for somebody who supports me and supports gay people in general and it was the easiest
ever.
It's good to figure out.
Good.
Should Queer's boycott Florida because of Governor Ron, don't say gay to Santis?
No.
I don't think because you can't change anything because you boycott it.
They need to have their voices heard in my opinion.
There have been a lot of like conventions and like sports events and whatever that have
canceled is said, we're not, we're moving to someplace else.
Yeah.
We're not going to.
Well, yeah, that's one thing.
I think that does a lot of good.
You pull them especially when they say we are canceling Florida because of that.
If you pull money out of it, that's, you know, that's the thing.
You pull money out of a state like that because of where one person stands.
It speaks loudly and there was one company, I don't, I don't remember and I probably didn't
recognize the name of the company, but they said, we were going to employ thousands of
people in Florida and now we're not.
Good.
On the other hand, Key West is in Florida.
The number one gay destination, I don't know, maybe Providence Town is close, but I wouldn't
want to, I wouldn't want to make it difficult for them, the gay businesses in Key West simply
because of their governor.
Yeah.
I mean, I think, you know, in the past, I would have thought it would have been nice.
I mean, you, in the future, we could have moved to Florida, you know, in retire, like that
will ever happen.
But, you know, I mean, I was always in my family that was down there and all that, I mean,
I might be nice.
But now that he's down there, there's no way that I would move to Florida.
And with all the old people voting, party lying, any subsequent governors are probably going
to be just as bad or worse.
Yeah.
So, and it's all rich old white people, that's what it is.
And I think Florida is an expensive place to live in, and I don't, I don't want to move
there.
No, I know you don't.
I mean, we never really seriously talked about it.
I mean, I think it'd be nice so I could see my family, but we can also take care of that
with a trip if I can ever convince you when to go down there.
Remember, my nephew just gave me a guilt trip last time from a conversation.
So, that's something we're going to discuss off the air because we need to go down there.
Like he said, come visit your family.
Your family misses you coming from mouth of a seven-year-old.
What do you think the chances are that openly gay politicians and people to judge will run
for president again?
That's, that's a toss-up.
I don't think he will because he's what the Secretary of Transportation under Biden.
Yeah, I think Biden gave him a really good job on the hopes that he won't compete against
Biden in exchange.
I would, I would vote for him if he, I believe I did.
Yeah.
Yeah, I was disappointed when he, when he dropped out.
And it's not just because he's gay, but I, I like his politics.
He seems to have a good head on his shoulders, you know, he's sharp, he's smart.
And he came pretty close to getting the party nomination.
He kind of came from nowhere by leaps and bounds.
I mean, he was a mayor of Pittsburgh before that.
No, he was a mayor of South Bend and Indiana.
In other names, you know, most people who run for president, you know, started at the city
in the state and they'll, you know, and worked their way up, I mean, he was just a mayor.
Yeah, I mean, he's, he jumped from being a mayor of a, a fairly small town, not a town.
It was just a really small city and then jumped right into it.
So, it's not like he was even on the state level, I mean, it was municipality.
And I think just being gay is not a barrier to running for president.
No.
Not anymore.
It shouldn't be.
At least not to me.
No, but we're not the norm I don't think.
I do remember when we had a black president and there were some white people that I worked
with who were just new that their days were numbered and it didn't happen, but in fact,
I remember the day that Obama was elected, these two white guys were going on about how the,
the blacks were going to take over and run everything for everyone.
And I turned to person next to me and I said, "What year is it?"
I think it was 2008, she said 2008, I think, and I said, "You can't tell by the conversation
we're listening to."
As you guys could hear, that was my eyes rolling.
Yeah.
So, I don't know.
It might be a little tough to get out of gay men elected, but you know, anything's possible.
A lot of people never thought we would see a black president.
A lot of people mean you never thought that we'd be the right to be married.
You get married, you know.
So, you know what I mean, things can happen and hopefully we're on that track.
So.
I hope so too.
I really do.
Two teachers in Texas were fired for attending a drag show earlier this month.
How do you feel about that?
It's disgusting, I think, but Texas, you know, my feelings about this, the whole state of
Texas.
I'm not surprised.
I wish I could say that I was.
I believe it was a Catholic school, so then they had the right to do it.
Just religious exemptions on civil rights, things like that.
And I'm sure they used that.
And the teachers had no idea that they could get fired for going to a drag show.
Yeah.
Seriously.
Who would even think that?
Yeah.
Well, I would think it, I imagine it was probably in their policy, but it's still ridiculous.
Yes, there was something in the contract that said that they have to conform to Bible values
or that, which any issue that you can think of, the Bible has it 17 different ways, so
you can interpret it however you want.
I really don't think the Bible probably addresses actually attending a drag show.
I'd be really impressed if it did, so I'm sure that came out of the blue for them and everyone
else.
It's a shame because I think it just overvalued and overshadows what matters and it's the kids
that are being taught.
Those teachers could have been also teachers.
And now the kids are going to suffer because of some archaic nonsense that the school wants
to stand by.
I guess there's nothing stopping it from doing it.
Yeah.
I guess, like you said, I don't know if they would have attended if they knew it was against
their school policy or not.
Well, and I don't know.
If my job was dependent on some religious thing, would you work there?
What would I want to work for a place that felt that way?
Yeah.
Now, I know the Supreme Court is whittling away at our rights to business and whatnot by
saying that we'll talk about that next.
Okay.
So, do you want to move on to the next question then?
Yes.
Okay.
Do you think the Supreme Court will reverse their decision on the website designer who won't
make a hypothetical gay marriage with pH?
I seriously doubt that they will change their minds and reverse their rules.
Yeah, they will.
And that's where we were leading to in the conversation.
The Supreme Court says that a business can deny or refuse to do business with someone
because they're gay or something like that because of their deeply held religious beliefs.
Well, the background to it.
The woman who has the business has never made a website or said she had never made a website
for a gay couple.
And therefore, the whole thing is theoretical, hypothetical, I guess you'd say.
She was preempting, preemptively suing the state, saying that she would not do that, even
nobody had asked her to.
The plot gets a lot thicker, though, because it turns out that her portfolio did have a gay
wedding site, which she deleted before the thing went to Supreme Court.
But thanks to the wayback machine, the internet archives, it's still there.
Okay.
There's proof that she didn't do that.
And also, the supposed couple that asked for it, one person doesn't exist at all, and the
other person is a heterosexual man who does web pages of his own, and he would never ask
somebody else to make one when he could do it himself.
Wow.
Despite all that, I don't think the Supreme Court were back down there.
And where I was going with the previous question is, it is wrong to deny people.
You know, your business, but I don't think I want to give those people my business anyway.
I didn't want to get a penny out of me.
No.
I'd turn around and walk out.
I just, no, I find someone who would have the same values and beliefs in me that I would
happily, give my honor and money to.
I would rather do that than give a homophobic money, knowingly anyway.
Yeah.
Definitely.
Without a doubt, no questions asked.
So, I guess if there's any kind of silver lining, at least the bigots can make themselves
known, and we can therefore avoid them.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Well, it kind of goes back like I was just around, it was like when I, Trump kind of liked
it.
I found out really, a lot of my quote unquote, who all the hillbilly's and real friends
were.
So, it made it a lot easier to see the forest of woods because there's people getting raving
out.
And it's like, oh, see you later by my so sad, not really, so, but it's a nice filter.
Yeah.
It made it really easy, made it real, really easy.
So, and I, there's went off my back after that.
All right.
What TV news story is getting more attention than it should?
Well, there are so many.
One of them, this goes back about a month, the whole submarine thing.
Oh, yes.
I just thought it was, it's unfortunate, you know, that people died.
There's an inherent risk, they knew it.
The thing that's upsetting about that is that during the same week, apparently like five
of the people died crossing from Africa in the Mediterranean, drowned on these boats
that were coming across, and we didn't hear anything about that.
But we wrote about five billionaires going to the bottom of the ocean to see a wreck.
And we heard about it.
And I understand those people had decided like 25 different documents saying that they wouldn't
see whatever.
So, you know, if you're so crazy, if you have so much money that you can just sew it
away.
Yeah.
I mean, it's not like they were American heroes.
They weren't astronauts.
They weren't, you know, they were going on a very expensive joyride for a lack of a better
term and they paid with it with their lives.
And it's sad because they lost their lives.
But we didn't need to hear quarterly, quarterly, a quarter hour update about it, you know.
And then other things in the news, gosh, there's only something going on there.
That follows so many news things that are so many that are stupid, I can't even name one.
Yeah.
Mother's things are going on that you think are stupid that I don't like football starting.
Big brother starting.
No, no.
Come here.
Yeah.
Say no, come here.
What did you say the other night when I was excited?
I said, oh.
Tomorrow night something big starts and you're like, well, did you say to me, I'm filing
for divorce and I said, its big brother, you're like exactly a form for divorce.
So, I don't think I use those words, but maybe something similar to those words.
That was the gist of it.
I guess there will always be some absurd thing that gets more news that it really warrants.
Yeah.
You know, I got to find something to go on.
All right.
Yeah.
Nothing else to talk about.
I guess not.
So, I guess it's your favorite time of the week.
So, what is your favorite joke right now?
Why am I happy that it's not snowing?
Why are you happy that it's not snowing?
Imagine having to shovel snow in this heat.
All right, so I wasn't a very good one.
Sorry, they can't all be good.
That was a singer, not a zinger.
All right.
We hope you've enjoyed episode 70 of the Bear and Kerr podcast.
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