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I love you Curadh. I love you, Baehr. This is episode 87 of the Baehr and Curadh podcast. We're
going to talk about news from 2023. 2023 is done and we are going to discuss the biggest
news stories of the year that were important to the gay community. Ron DeSantis told teachers
not to say gay in Florida schools. Absolutely ridiculous but it passed. So sometimes the problem
with giving people a choice is they choose wrong. Not only wrong about him but the Florida legislature
and gay in school that bill didn't appear instantly overnight and it didn't start the way it
finished. It started with eliminating any discussion of sexual orientation to kindergartners.
And then the next thing you know they said oh we're going to pass that all the way through 12th grade
to you. Yeah, well and then at first when it initially passed it was just so great school wasn't it?
No, it was initially kindergartners. Not really. As I understand it. Now it's all way to 12th grade.
It's yeah all through the all grades of the school system. Wow. Well, that's amazing.
It just shows you need to get out there and vote be active in your community. Well unfortunately
that's what happened in Florida. All the old people got out and voted for religious conservatives.
Yeah, well it just shows that the right side of history shouldn't get out there and vote.
All right because of the new old books with gay subjects are banned from Florida school.
Yep, they went through all the libraries and any book that had any slight little mention of a gay
character got banned. I don't think it was like 600 in some books. It's almost like they just want
to wipe the gay community out from. Yeah, just make sure no kids ever learn anything about
because they're here. Even gay people exist. Yeah, that's nice because then you have the kids that are
that are gay. The question is in the sexuality you have no reference points or anything to look
towards or even be able to talk about it because you can't bring the word up. That's
the even banned one book because the woman's name was gay. Really? Yes.
Why am I not surprised though? I mean really that's ridiculous. That's just
that's what I have to say about that. And then surprisingly Texas follows Florida's anti-gay lead.
I ain't surprised about that. Texas has always been I don't know their own thing.
So, it seems a bit surprising to me that they would be
following up on this and not taking the lead on being anti-gay. Yeah, so Florida just got to it before
they could. Don't know. It could be possible that the Florida legislature isn't as anti-gay as
sorry I meant that the Texas legislature isn't as anti-gay as Florida or that the
liberals and left have a little bit more control over the situation. Yeah, because Texas is pretty much
all right except down in Austin, isn't it? Yeah. Austin right there in the center of Texas that's a
pretty liberal area but all the rest of the state. That's the way far right. Well, the governor's
an idiot just like the Santa says they're both morons and you can't help but wonder how a politician
could get that far being that dumb that I would think they would have to be actively dumb pretending
to be stupid to pander to their constituents. Because really how could you how could you go that far
being that stupid? I would see if that many people that are just as stupid who actually get out and
vote and believe in your beliefs then. But I mean how could you have a successful campaign being
that stupid that doesn't make a sense? The people who vote for them don't think they're stupid. They
think that they're actually brilliant people and that they have the right idea. To them what they're
doing is correct even though we can see it is completely wrong. I remember here in our town the city was
going to they were going to allow coverage of gay partners of those people who were employed by
the city if they had a gay partner there was no gay marriage back then. But if they had a domestic
situation in order to attract good people to the jobs they were going to allow them to include
their partners in insurance and there was a huge huge outcry that was wrong. And I called my
councilwoman. I do not remember her name now and had I don't know probably a half hour long talk
with her. And in the end, I said what I really wanted you to do what I want you to do is to do the
right thing. And she says oh I am I'm voting against that. That's the right thing. She firmly believed
that voting against my right to have benefits. Yeah, that was the right thing to do. And right then I
said okay this conversation is done because I can't do anything about that. I can't fight such
ingrained bigotry. Yeah, what she said to that. Oh, I didn't say those to her but that was my
thought. It's interesting when you actually talk to them and find out just how bigotry they are.
These people aren't anything like what they seem. What do you mean? They put on a show.
It's probably a lot worse when you meet them in person actually sit down and talk to them
prowling cranes and bigotry they actually are. Yeah, I mean I hate saying that but
at that point I said well I have done all that I can do.
Wow that's too bad and the city didn't allow that did it.
I know I think they revoked that from the contracts. So yeah, so you couldn't get benefits?
No, I couldn't. Yeah, I remember when that came on the news. I was like well that's good.
You know what I mean? But apparently the majority people felt different so it's too sad.
The FDA allows gaming and monogamous relationships to donate blood.
That's been around for a long time where they couldn't and I thought it wasn't the FDA I just thought
it was the red cross. I guess it doesn't matter just neither here nor there. No, the red cross has
to follow the FDA guidelines in whatever locale they are. For instance, in Britain people who
are diabetic and take insulin cannot donate blood. It's not true here. So here they go by the
local laws. Okay. How do you feel about that? It's about time. Yeah. The rule didn't really
accomplish anything. Well, it was all due to the AIDS epidemic. Yes, and basically still is.
But it made a group to gain men in with...
Intravenous of drug users? Promiscuous people. They just assumed if you were gay, you were Peromyscus.
That word of course I have not. I've always had that trouble with the word monogamous because
monogamous means having sex with only one woman. So, under that definition I'm not monogamous because
I don't have sex with one woman. Yeah, you're a whore. You sleep around town all the time.
You know what I mean? All the time with women. With women. That just shows the rules
aren't they being applied appropriately. Yeah. And it's only that rule has only changed like in the
last few weeks. I need to figure out what I have to do to start donating blood at work again.
Okay. You're going to donate? Yeah. My blood's worth too much money. I'm not giving it away.
The only problem I have is someone who has a chronic condition like diabetes.
It can be bad for your blood. I'm often borderline anemic on my blood tests. Even though I take
an iron supplement and so they may tell me you can't get blood because you don't have enough.
Your blood's not good here. Go somewhere else. Beat it. But at least they can't say
you take insulin so you can't. Well, that's good. I mean that's good news.
All right. The Pope allows priests to buy same-sex relationships. I've since the Pope was installed. I've
had I don't know. He just seemed like a kind person more like Jesus than any of the other
popes that we've had in a long time. Okay. And I've had feelings that you know maybe he would do
the right thing and over and over again I hear this. Plenty of people say though that
plenty of people though say it's just lip service because
blessing of gay relationships can't be in the guise of marriage. It can't even be anywhere near a
marriage. Okay. They don't want it to look like a marriage. It has to be a totally separate ceremony
and it's up to the priest's side if they want to do that or not. Okay. So, I don't know. It's kind of
seems like the gay people are being a little greedy thing. You know we don't want just a blessing. We
want a gay marriage. These things take time, I guess. I'm happy for people that they can do that,
but I'm on Catholic. I don't get a church. I don't believe in it. So, you know what I mean? But
it's easier. It never means that much for people, but I mean it's baby steps.
Well, the church is evolving. John Paul before him apologized for saying that the earth revolves
around the sun. And that was just only 500 years ago or so. So, they're coming around. It's just
taking a little bit. You're so funny. I mean good for them. Good for gay Catholics.
Good for them. I guess. I mean that's really the best thing I could say. I mean, but like I said,
baby steps, you know, you're not going to get everything you want all at once. But I mean,
even the fact that he's willing to bless them, that's good. And I'm sure he had to be seeing that
the church was just too far behind the times. Yeah. Well, from what I saw about it too,
I mean, there's bishops and cardinals that are pissed that he even came out and said this,
that they're we're not going to do it. We're not following yet. Well, one of the most anti-gay
bishops, I don't remember his name, but has been known for a long time for being very anti-gay,
came out with some very strongly worded statements against this Pope fire team. Really?
So, he can't wear his funny hat anymore. You can't. You can't. Really. Yeah. Huh.
Well, about So, time, you know, for the longest time, these people were untouchable. Yeah.
I mean, look at the whole child sex abuse. You know what I mean? It's just not even getting rid of them,
just moving them to another chapter or area or whatever. You know what I mean? It's not even
calling them account for that. At least he's doing that. So, I gain more respect for. So, but I mean,
it's important. It's impressive, too, because I mean, he is pretty much don't they consider him
the second end of God in the Catholic church? Yes. Pretty much the word of God. The word of God.
So that's, that's very important. That's very impressive. So good golf club for the Catholic church.
Most of the evangelicals who say they speak for Jesus, Jesus for some reason agrees with all of them
ideas. Every single one of them, they all speak to them freely. I guess they have, they guess they
have a landline that connects to Jesus where we don't. Apparently. Yeah. You would think the Pope
probably would probably have a direct line, but these other evangelicals that live in their big churches,
they're the size of malls. I remember a pamphlet. Somebody was passing out one of the gay pride events.
The outside of it said complete Bible transcript of everything Jesus said about homosexuals,
and he opened it up in its blank. Well, let's look at point. So, I don't know. We've been through
to talk about formalized religion, so neither one of us really believe in it. So, okay. The only
reason I know so much about it is because I was forced to know about it in parochial school. And you read,
"Oh, they long, oh, they long, every day, oh, they long about everything." So, okay.
75 anti-gay bills became law nationwide at a 417 proposed.
Those numbers, they sound very specific. This was from one particular source. I've seen
lots of different numbers, but they're up there. We've more anti-gay laws this year than
any other year ever before. Well, it's a lot of it from Texas and Florida. And the South. Yeah.
That doesn't surprise me. How, like, what are some of the bills?
Oh, things like banning transgender athletes from playing in sports,
bathrooms. Oh, yes, bathrooms. And just saying that we exist is...
Yeah, apparently in Florida in Texas, yeah. That's too bad. At least, it could be worse, 417 of them could
have passed. I think there's actually more than that, but that was the number that I found. Yeah.
And I think it's still backlash from Obama. Oh, yeah. There are white conservative people that are still
mad that Obama became president. And they get a little bit of power and they say, "Well, we're
going to show our power and pass these laws." Yeah. Most of them haven't gone to any kind of judicial
review yet. Okay. Some of them have, some of them have gone to initial, you know, where the judge will
say, "You're not allowed to enforce this until after the case is done." Okay.
It gets back to, you need to get out of vote for your local politicians, because that's where it all
starts. Get out there and vote. Just don't, you know, sit highly by because he said, "I highly
buy this is what happens." And it's easier than ever before to decide which candidate to vote for,
because papers are, they're asking candidates what their stance is on gay issues and they're answering.
Yeah. It's never been easier to find out that. They can find everything online.
It used to be the really the only thing I could do would be to find a conservative Christian
publication and find their, their endorsements and then felt the opposite.
It's easier now than ever because you can just get them online like I said and find out where they
stand, you know, when people are asking the questions. Some vote appropriately. Okay. Schools across
the country paying transgendered girls from competing in sports goes back to kind of the previous.
Yes. Their treatment of transgender people in general is where they were, with gay people,
10, 20 years ago. They, they see it as a new way to raise funds.
And right now, it's the, the people are in the Carl Sair's transgender. That's too bad. It's so sad.
But yeah, there's no butt there on the way. I said that.
There really aren't too many transgender kids in school sports. No, I think I've read an article
about Kansas because they were doing the battle here in Kansas. It came down to like three athletes.
Three athletes that were transgendered. Out of hundreds of schools. Out of thousands of students.
And they, they even asked like some of the students in the school how they call it. Not a matter of
problem with it. But it was down to three athletes. So, it's such a small, small percentage.
Those laws were a solution looking for a problem. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was out of doubt. Hands down. Yeah.
And it's, it's just too bad that the transgendered girls have to go through that, in my opinion.
And this is sort of related. It wasn't a transgendered chess player forced out of
competition because they thought that a transgendered woman had an unfair advantage in chess.
I never heard that. That's ridiculous though. Yeah. Yeah. How could you say that? How could you
justify that? How can you justify any of these laws? That just gets me going. I mean, you can't. There's
any same person with life at most of these laws. And it's like, uh, funny. But just how ridiculous they are.
And oh, that's a good idea. It's like I can't say it. It's just mind-boggling. It just seems like a way to
rally the troops. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know Nazi groups disrupt drag queen story hour in many places.
I didn't hear about that, but I'm not surprised. Oh, how could you not hear about it? I mean,
in cities all over the place, when they would have a drag queen story hour,
Nazi groups would come So, to show up and try to disrupt it. First off, neo-Nazis need me points from
the earth. They're, what do they serve a purpose for? They want to convince each other that they're right,
I guess. Yeah. And when you put people in a group, they'll do things they wouldn't do on their own.
'Cause they're cowards. They're the egg each other on. They're cowards. They're cowards.
Now, some might say that having drag queen story hour is asking for it. Why? Because you've got drag
queens presenting to children. Seems like a ready-made thing for somebody to criticize.
Why? Because your little meager mind can't wrap this mind. It's head around the fact that there's,
first of all, they should be happy that someone's willing to read to their children.
'Cause apparently, they don't think they are. Their parents are doing it. So, and if the kids don't have
a problem with it, the mind abides. You know what I mean? They don't see any harm in it. And they're not
dragging kids out of their bedrooms. No. These parents probably took their kids to see this.
So, it's not against their will. It's not against the parents' will either.
But I'm just not surprised that somebody didn't see that and say, "Oh, here's a chance for us to
protest." Yeah. Yeah, you're right.
And then they're trying to say that their drag queens are grooming the children by reading to them.
That word groomer. They sew that word around way too much.
Yeah. It used to be pedophile and now they say groomer. Yeah. It's a sound bite. Yeah.
They know that it gets, it's quick bait. They know that it'll get more
likes and things spread about. And from there, kind of like the kindergarten to grade school
laws. From those, how dare you drag queens talk to kids. They've gone to further
trying to limit drag queens by saying they can't do any kind of public performance
where children might be. That's ridiculous.
And there you're talking about the first amendment.
Drag queens should be able to say whatever they want to say. Yeah.
You shouldn't be banning drag queens because they're in the public. Yeah. And I mean,
drag queens aren't forcing people to make them go see them either. It's a decision that you
choose to go through. You either go to a bar or, you know, well, reading cases go to a library.
So no, you know, I don't see any drag queens standing on the corner of a street,
clothing people over there, any drag on them, they can make them watch them perform.
So. And I've, I don't know, um, drag isn't really my kind of thing. I mean,
we've together seen, I don't know, three or four grand shows. And it's usually because
somebody that we know is going to be in it or whatever, um, the, I don't know where I was going with that.
Now, you're just saying it's really not our thing. You know, we've only been to a few.
I saw a meme the other day of something about people say they don't get drag queens. And then
they deck their houses out with lights and inflatable snowman. And it's the same thing. Yeah.
That's yeah. And it's, it's not for you to get. It's up. Yeah. Yeah.
To each their own. My definition of drag queen has always been when a man wear
stuff that a lesbian won't wear. Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah.
All right. Russia weaponizes homophobia under the guise of banning propaganda.
Once again, that didn't start full blown out the door. That started as a small little thing.
Once again, under the guise of protecting children. Okay. And now it's, it's, it's almost, Russia has
almost banned being gay. Yeah. Oh, I know that I know that they've some of the worst
walls against homosexuals. Well, they're not the worst. We'll probably get to that. But, um,
it's, it's, uh, I, I want to say first amendment. They don't have the first amendment
in their, their constitution. They don't have the same laws we have. But, um,
it's basically saying, uh, live in fear and hide or, or we'll come and get you.
That's sad, sad that it's 2023 that some countries are. And, um, you know, there's got to be gay people
living in terror. Oh, yeah. Because of this regime. Yeah. But it's been, it's nothing new. It's been
going on for years. Um, before the social Olympics, they were talking about Russia's anti-gay walls.
And warning travelers, gay travelers, um, be careful what you do and what you say,
because you could get arrested and never see home again. Yeah. So, I mean, this, this is nothing new. Um,
just another notch in Clinton's bell. Pretty much. Uh-huh.
22 states have banned gender affirming care to transgender youth.
Not only mostly seven states. I don't know. I didn't, didn't see it map. Yeah. But I was shocked.
The number is 22 almost half of the states. Yeah. Um, and it would seem to me like it has to be
pandering. It's, uh, they, they're not depending on any kind of medical resources to make this decision.
I mean, the, the doctors say that it's necessary, you know, for their good, for their mental health.
And, but yet some, some politicians say, nope, you're, you're not going to be allowed to do that.
Hmm. That's, God, this whole list is just disappointing.
We're not even halfway through. Yeah. We're going to have to change it up a little bit because this,
this is getting hard to go through. Yeah. It's, I feel like I'm literally getting beat down
going through this list. There's got to be something good out there because
it just makes you want to cry a lot of this stuff. And I think once again, um,
they're treating transgendered people the way they treat gay people before.
It's an easy checkbox for, for their constituents to say, um, well, when these people meet,
meet their maker. I think if there is one, um, I think they're going to be in a quarter hurt.
That's what I'm up and forth anyway. I hope it's like, um, like secret smoking, the societal pressure
what works for politicians don't. Yeah. I mean, support for gay marriage is still an all-time high.
And I think politicians have given up on trying to overturn that. Yeah. It might go to the Supreme
Court if they find the right case, I don't know. And if it does, we'll probably, we'll probably
overturn our marriage. I can't see them saying, well, if you're married, it's okay, but no new marriages.
The justification of it is the same justification for banning abortion.
Uh-huh. Yeah. And don't think that they're going to stop it abortion.
No, they're not. That's say a lot of big things when it happened.
It's a lot of people got upset about. Mm-hmm.
All right, gay people abandon Twitter after up ticking hate and vitriol.
You want to get this done, don't you? I'm getting very upset. There's, I'm looking forward to
the rest of these answers and nothing is good on this whole list. Nothing absolutely and it's
infuriating me. I couldn't find any good news in the United States. There are other countries that are
revolving, um, South American countries are starting to recognize gay marriage.
Um, other countries are making, but here in the United States, um, it hasn't been a very good year
or no. I know, I know I'm up leaning you. It's just, it's infuriating me. It's, it's,
and I do this podcast for fun and, and it's just, this, this, this, this, this episode is just
making me very angry and very upset and it's not your fault. It's the, the people in this country.
Um, it's 2000 fucking 23 and this is what we show us as a nation.
As a country, this is the best we can fucking do. I, I part of my language, but are you fucking kidding me?
Um, it's, it's making me sick. It, it's seriously when he said half the list, we, we still have 15 more
things we can talk about and I'm not going to do it because it's not bringing me to tears. This,
Well, let's take this one and, and try to give it a good spin.
Okay, gave people a man in Twitter after uptick and hate and vitriol good. Good for them.
Um, I don't foresee Twitter lasting pretty much longer. I feel like that he's trying to get
right now. No, it's called X. Yeah, well, it'll probably still exist, but be just a shell
of its form itself. It's probably already on its way to that right now.
Um, um, um, sometime during this year, I don't exactly remember when, but I, I said I've had enough
and moved to mastodon. Do you like mastodon?
Um, like anything you get out of it, which you put into it. Yeah, um, if you expect like Twitter to,
to have the force feed you a whole lot of conversations that you don't participate in and you don't go
looking for interesting people. Um, mastodon is going to be going to be kind of boring for you.
I've never been on mastodon. I'm not on Twitter. So, like we said before in this podcast,
I'm on Facebook because of my sister and my family and that's about it. But yeah, and Twitter,
obviously taking a downturn, um, I'm happy to see the key people actually stood up for themselves,
uh, and stepped away from it because of it. Mm-hmm. It's looking for them. Really.
And I guess I could see there; I do see that there are some gay podcasts that still post on Twitter
because Twitter has the numbers. But, um, I don't think they will for long. Yeah.
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Good. Good. That's good. So, see, there's, there's, you can find good things in bad things,
I guess. Yeah. The Vatican says transgendered people can be baptized. That's good too. But after that,
it's all bad stuff on this list. So, I'll talk about this and then I won't take your joke in a week.
Sorry. I'm not gonna subject myself to being this angry. Like I said, I'm not angry at you.
Yeah. And it was a lot of work for me to gather all this.
I'm sorry. Maybe, maybe we'll just take a break and I can jump back on it when I get my head straight
again. Good. But for right now, it's, I want to go punch something and that's not a good headspace
to be in. So, no, the Vatican's baptizing transgendered people is great.
And probably the reason for the Vatican saying that is because so many priests requesting it.
Can I do this or not? Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that's long, it's about time, you know.
I think it's a message from the church that intrinsically transgendered people there,
there is anything wrong with them. That's good. That's really good. All right. Well, it's,
let's take a break. Well, I'll try to finish this. But right now, I'm sorry. We'll come back.
But we're going to take a break for a while. Okay.
Bye.
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- Okay, we're back.
Sorry about that guy.
Took a little bit of a break.
It's the next day.
Got my head straight.
- Yeah, when you said you needed a break,
I thought you meant like 15 minutes
and here it is the next day.
- Well, I'm sorry, it just,
they really got bothered me.
I needed to get my head cleared up and so,
but here we are, we're back.
I think we should talk about that.
- Okay, why?
- I learned in my activism days and in the days of the early days
of the AIDS pandemic that you have to learn
to use your anger without letting your anger use you.
- Okay, that's fair.
- Anger, it incentivizes people, it gets them going.
- Okay.
- But it can't eat away at you.
- It can or can, it can.
- Yeah.
And that's what happened yesterday.
I mean, honestly, this list has nothing but bad news.
And it was a whole year of bad news.
And just, well, you know,
I'm just mounted up and just kept bothering me and bothering me.
And I knew I wasn't getting in the right headspace
by keep talking about it.
So, I need to walk away from it.
I just don't like getting angry like that
and I was getting angry like that.
Not gonna lose my temper or anything like that,
but I don't like being that upset.
- Do you feel like you could use that anger in some way?
Give me a punching bag, I guess.
I mean, I don't know what else to do.
I mean, does it give you an incentive
to try to make change in the world?
- Yeah, yeah, I guess.
You know what I mean?
I guess I could join some simple healthcare clinic
for transgender abuse or something like that
or be more active in the community,
something like, you know, along those lines, maybe,
maybe that's something I need to look into and do.
'Cause I think a lot of these things happen
from people just being,
I say lack of, they don't care, it's just,
they don't know what to do to how fix it.
And maybe that's something I need to look into
so, I can fight against some of this stuff
actually, happening around here.
Something to look into.
- Libraries all over the place are forced to ban gay books.
Yeah, can you take away theirs are forced to?
- Yeah, I don't hear too many cases
of where librarians are willing to do that.
- Yeah.
- They're being forced to.
Although there might be some librarians
who are more than happy to do that
and we just don't hear about it
'Cause there's no controversy.
- No, that's true, too.
Once again, it's being done
and there's the guise of protecting children.
- Yeah.
- And you know, I get it that there's probably
some books out there that maybe, you know,
children are trying to be reading.
But that comes down to the parents, in my opinion.
They're really, their parents are children.
I think if parents were told they have to read this book
before their kids aren't gonna read any books.
- Well, 'cause the parents are lazy then
they shouldn't be raising children.
But there's how many parents are out there
that shouldn't be raising children in the first place.
I honestly, sometimes part of me always wanted to say
that straight people should have to take a test
before they have children.
And then they should be sterile.
And then once they pass this test, they become non sterile.
And then they can have children
because there's so many people out there
who are raising children who do not have a right
to be raising children.
- They were pretty much forced into it.
- Force them to it, or they just don't care.
They, it's the novelty to them.
They have them.
And some of them, you need to say this,
but the children are money makers.
It's sad, but it's true.
And I see it happen all the time,
especially in the job that I mean.
I mean, people waiting to get their taxes back.
So, they have money or waiting to get their monthly stipend.
So yeah, it comes down to parenting of my opinion.
Not the, and I don't think most of those parents
know or care one way or the other.
It is politicians who are using the guys
of protecting children to suppress ideas
that they don't like.
- Doesn't it seem so propaganda-ish?
Like, like, Germany was?
And we're, like, yeah, like pulling the wall
or people's eyes and just telling them,
this is sure you're on good.
When it's, and people are just blindly following it.
- I do see elements of that.
- Okay.
- I just wasn't sure if that was just me or not.
- But I just can't help it wonder
about the motivations.
But I often believe that the politicians
themselves secretly don't care one way or another.
They just see it as a way to grab power.
- Yeah, that's all it is all about.
It's how long can they sit in that sea?
The Supreme Court rules that a website designer
does not have to make any gay wedding pages.
- Well, that was quite a case.
- That was a huge case.
- It was so trumped up.
That trumped up is actually a pretty good description.
Right there.
She really had no standing.
In most cases at the Supreme Court,
you have to have standing.
In other words, you have to be a party
who has been injured by another party
who has a dog in that race.
And in this case, she had never made,
she nobody had ever asked her to make a website
for a wedding, a gay wedding.
She was preemptively wanting to have this ruling
so that she wouldn't have to.
It turns out that in her professional portfolio,
she had made a website for a gay wedding as a prospectus
and she removed it later on when she,
was going to pursue this case.
So, the whole thing is a big fallacy.
- Yeah, well, my thing there is,
I want to design my website anyway then.
- I wouldn't either.
And a lot of these cases where people are saying
they're being forced into doing something,
I would rather they be on some list.
It says, this person is a homophobia,
don't give them your business.
Don't give them your money, you know,
your heart or money, you know, screw them,
find someone that wants to work with you,
that will do it for you and let them have your money.
- There are some cases where gay people
are discriminated against and there is no recourse.
You go to the only doctor in your town
and your doctor won't see you.
- Yeah, that's sad.
- Or you go to get married and there's no clerk
in that county that will give you a marriage license.
Those are cases where there's no alternative.
Somebody just need to be forced into doing something
that a person they like.
But this was not one of those cases.
- Yeah.
- There's plenty of people out there
who would have made anybody who wants a great--
- A website and yeah, I'll screw her
in the horse she rode in on.
I'm not certain, but I think that the Supreme Court
made the ruling so specific that it can't be used
as a precedent for further cases.
- Oh really?
Well, that's good.
Anything?
- Yeah.
- Okay.
- Yeah.
- Good.
- So maybe something tiny, a little bit of good
came out of it.
A conservative-led boycott against Bud Light
dethroned it as the nation's top-selling beer.
- This whole thing was ridiculous.
It just shows how backwards people are sometimes.
Who cares?
- You know how it got started.
- Wasn't it, they made cans for a transgendered female
as a kind of a kind of a--
- I believe they had some kind of a website
where you could get a can printed with your name on it.
And a transgendered woman ordered some
and did a TikTok video or a YouTube video
or something with her new name on the beer cans.
And some white, ring, white, right, wing, pundit.
- Three, that about it.
- Yeah, I made a big deal about it.
And people called for a boycott.
Don't drink, Bud Light, which is,
don't you have something better to do with your time?
That's my opinion.
And if you don't like it, don't drink it.
It's not that big of a deal, but it just shows how,
it kills me with the right.
The right always says the left is full of sheep.
But in this case, Kid Rock, a lot of people,
videotape themselves, shooting up,
and it just shows how moronic some of the right is.
Shooting up cases of Bud Light with an AK-47,
and assault rifle, that should be banned, in my opinion.
Shooting it up and then talking crap about it,
but then there's a video with him drinking Bud Light
in the past, but singing, "I'm not going to drink
any K-beer, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."
And then you had other country singers
doing the same thing.
Shut up.
- Well, I think it's somewhat of a case of escalation.
People go, "I can top that."
- Yeah.
- And they get there 15 minutes of fame.
- Mm-hmm, yeah, I don't know.
It's, to me, it just makes 'em look petty.
It's, you're not proving a point.
You're not doing anything.
But they, I mean, they were doing Bud Light make a gay.
Come on, are you serious?
- I don't know that, isn't it, isn't that beer made by Cooers?
- No, it's a Bud-Wider product.
- Okay.
- That's what I used to drink with Bud Light.
I probably explained so a lot then.
- It wasn't, they didn't set out to become the gay beer.
- Yeah.
- It was sort of thrust on them unwillingly.
And I believe that they refused to say anything bad
about gay people in response,
which people took to be acceptance.
- And it, I mean, it wasn't even a big campaign.
It wasn't like they came out with cans
that had to rain before I got on it and stuff like that.
But a lot of people didn't realize
most of these companies have sponsored gay events
in the past, huge gay events,
and pride events, stuff like that.
So, it's in a lot of their money does go to gay rights,
supporting gay groups.
So, I mean, this was something that was so small,
like I've blown up for no reason whatsoever.
And, but the little right minions that run around,
brainless idiots follow the line and just,
and you just never know what's gonna blow up.
- Yeah, exactly.
But it's just, it is ridiculous when it happened.
It's ridiculous now, but, you know,
but it's gonna wait.
It's like one of those things.
It's all over the news.
It was all over social media.
And then it's got its team.
It ran its 15 minutes and that was gone.
And you just gotta look at those people
and just shake your head.
- Mm-hmm.
This next one I wanna read it,
'cause I wanna hear your reply.
The doctors invited, disinvited,
and then re-invited the sisters
of perpetual indulgence.
- I didn't know anything about this.
And so, we're doing this when you put it out there.
Okay, the sisters of perpetual indulgence,
isn't that kind of like what a friend of ours is doing?
- Yeah, it's a comedy set, entire group.
- Okay.
- We ain't it, right?
- Uh-huh.
- They just put poking fun at Catholic nuns,
but Catholic nuns, yeah.
This sounds like the doctors want it to invite them.
Someone blew up about it, got pissed off,
so, they get disinvited.
And then the doctors turn around and say,
"No, screw you, we're gonna invite you back."
So, props for the doctors are doing that.
They didn't follow in tow and back down.
- Well, yes, they did back down,
but then they reversed that decision.
But eventually, it turned out the right way in my opinion,
they invited them back.
So, props to them for doing it.
It's a shame that they got disinvited,
but then they got re-divided back in.
- Not a lot of groups would reverse themselves that way.
Most would double down, I think.
- Oh, yeah, yeah.
No, so that's why I'm giving them credit for bringing them back in.
So good for them.
- Is another case of maybe something good coming
from something banned?
- Yeah, I mean, really, that's really what I wish there
was more groups that would do that.
Not through the disinviting, just invite them
and then stand firmly upon your stand and say,
"You know what, no, we've already made this decision,
screw you and the horse you rode in on,
I'm gonna do it."
You know, so it's bad on them that they disinvited them,
but at least they did bring them back in.
'Cause that took a lot of coordinates to do, I think.
- Yeah, 'cause you could very easily end up
pissing off both groups.
- Yeah, exactly.
So, I'm glad they did it.
What do you think about it?
- I think they came out of it.
Okay.
I think they've recognized that the group was based
on satire.
- Yeah.
- That they weren't really being mean to Catholic nuns,
just to be mean, they were doing it for comedy.
- Yeah, and just later,
but I don't know, the Dodgers is a major league baseball team
from Los Angeles.
- So, you think some of our audience won't know that?
- I think so, I don't think that's why I made that comment.
- 'Cause you can't take everything for granted, so.
- Okay, assume that some of the gay boys out there
don't know what Dodgers is, baseball.
- There's a lot of people who are NFL fans now
because Taylor Swift is dating Travis Kelsey too, so.
- Very true.
- You know, you gotta, you gotta play to your audience.
So, did you know who the Dodgers were?
- Yes.
- Okay.
- Yes, it's a football team.
- You can see exactly.
So, sorry, anybody out there, if I just,
if I'd upset them, so, but I'm not,
I'm not gonna double down and back off of it, so.
All right, it is not just you kinda,
much of Africa is marching backward on LGBT rights.
The reason Uganda is mentioned is, I believe they have
the death penalty, if you're found out to be homosexual,
they can execute you.
And there are some other African countries
that have pretty extreme anti-gay stances
and getting worse, Egypt is one of them.
- Really?
- Considering how they depend on tourism so much,
that seems like a questionable idea to me.
- Yeah.
- So, this goes back to the whole Russian too,
where you said, "I actually know it's American missionaries
"That are pushing this."
- Really?
- Yes, really.
- How Jesus like of them?
- Mm-hmm.
- And there's several evangelical evangelists,
who are congratulating Uganda and encouraging them
to not bow down to pressure and to continue to
want to kill people.
- So, let's say babies, say babies that we're not gonna help
once they're born, but let's kill innocent people
because we don't agree with their sexuality.
Wonder why I don't practice religion.
That's, that's sickening.
- Yeah, we don't hear much of that here in the United States.
I knew that there were some countries over there
that were that bad.
I know like Saudi Arabia; you can be home.
Or whipped.
- Or cocaine.
A lot of the Middle East countries are like that.
So, I mean, we have it really, well,
really good here in the United States compared to.
- Yeah, it's not a utopia for gays,
but we still are not killing people.
- We have the right, we got married, we live, you know what I mean?
And we don't mean you really don't run across
much homophobia, but we're both bigger guys too.
I said that before, people who see us,
they were really mouth off or anything like that.
But I think a lot of that has to do with our side.
- Fortunately, we don't have any neighbors
who pick on us or anything that can,
having a next-door neighbor who is anti-gay,
it can just be a living nightmare.
- Oh, I bet.
Yeah, I would have a problem with that.
- Did you run into that in the past?
- No.
- Did you just part about things?
- Yeah.
And I feel pity for anybody who's in a situation like that.
- Yeah, 'cause I mean, your home's supposed to be your safe haven.
You shouldn't have to worry about things like that
when you go home.
Yeah, I said that would suck,
because eventually you would probably want to move or.
And then-- - If you have the means to do that.
- If you have the means to.
And then if you don't, and the neighbor does decide to move,
who what happens if someone moves in its 10 times worse?
- Mm-hmm.
- That's a shame, that's too bad.
- I worry about that, because the house next door,
they moved out and they've been trying to rent it.
And we could end up with some really homophobic neighbors.
- Yeah.
- That we share the driveway with.
- Well, maybe the landlord's telling me,
hey, there's two gay guys at the next door,
you might not want to move in here.
(laughing)
- Sorry, that's what they can't get in here.
- Maybe that's what he is.
(laughing)
- I'm fine with that, because it's a pain in the ass
and it's your energy, you are there.
- Okay, United Methodists lose 1,800 churches
in a split over their LGBT stance.
- What was their stance on?
- It was pro-gay.
- Really?
- Yeah.
- I didn't realize there was that many
Methodist churches in the United States.
- Oh, so there's thousands.
- This is just a tiny bit of them that have decided
to split off over the issue.
- So, the 1,800 or ones that are pro LGBT?
- Right.
- Well, we'll screw them.
- And I don't know, those churches had to have seen
this coming, the Methodist church.
- It's always been supportive of the gay community.
- Very, very, at least here.
- Yeah.
- Well, that's the one, the church that we donate
along our food to is Methodist, isn't it?
- For more?
- They're a non-denominational church.
- Oh, is it okay?
But I know that there are church, Methodist churches
here in town that are very gay women.
- I have rainbow flags outside.
I went to a funeral at one, not too long ago.
- Okay.
- What's that?
- I just, how could these churches, how could they...
- How do you join a church that you know?
- Well, how could they remain Methodist churches
when I know that the congregation is going that way?
- Yeah.
- So, I'm sure most of these churches who split off
- Probably deep south.
- Well, they probably already had all their news releases
written up and they were prepared to do that for years.
- Yeah, I can't imagine a lot of them
probably deep south backwards churches though.
- I don't know, I haven't seen them app.
- Yeah, but I'm saying if you did,
I imagine probably that's where they're at,
probably small rural communities.
- I can see some Catholic churches splitting off
with the Pope being so nice to us.
- I think he comes down to money with that.
I don't see it happening with the Catholic church.
- Explain what you mean by that.
- You split off; you're not receiving any more funds.
- I'm not saying it, but I think the Catholic church.
A lot of it has to do with money.
It's one of the richest churches in the world.
I don't see them.
I just don't see them doing it.
Yeah, I just don't, I mean it's the Pope,
the Pope is supposed to be the right-hand man, the God.
- And Catholics are so indoctrinated too.
- They always do what they're told to do.
- Exactly.
- The Pope tells you to love gay people
than you've got to do.
- Well, they'll talk to each other behind,
that's what I have a problem with formalized religion.
They're non-centers when they're in the building,
but when they can once they're out,
there's some of the biggest centers in the world.
Angels in the streets and devils in the sheets.
- Yeah, so, but yeah, I mean,
I hope everyone gets what I'm trying to say.
- Brows, the world's first gay romcom
that was released in theaters
is released on home video or on streaming.
- I thought that was good.
- I thought it was pretty good.
I wanted to support it by buying the movie
when we did on streaming.
And it turned out pretty good.
I think it did pretty well for what it was
in the movie theaters too.
I think there was a lot of support for it.
It was no, it means a hit, but at least it was something
that was released by a mainstream company.
And it was all about, it wasn't,
it wasn't a movie with the gay sidekick.
It wasn't a romcom with the gay sidekick.
It was literally a battle.
- It was all gay characters.
- It was all done by gay actors.
- Yeah, so I was very happy about that.
It was a cute movie.
- It wasn't the best, but it wasn't the worst either.
- It wasn't gonna win an Oscar by any means,
but there was some funny moments in it.
- I don't think they were even nominated for anything.
- No, no.
- I looked at the list of awards for that movie
and I'd never heard of any of them.
- No, yeah.
But props to the production company for doing it.
- I enjoyed it.
- Billy McNair is probably the biggest,
I think you could say it was his movie.
- Oh yeah, he wrote it and he wrote it
and started and all that, so.
But no, I think it was good.
It was a good way.
It was a good first step.
- I was amused by how they portrayed
the other members of the gay community
that he worked with the,
it was like a gay pride council
and how they are the infighting
and how everybody tried to make their agenda
the most important having worked with gay organizations
before it is exactly like.
- And it's a year's time where we're watching it.
So, that's kind of funny, it's cute.
Not really, but it is.
You know what I mean?
They nailed it.
- Good that we can put fun at ourselves.
- Yeah, it can't be serious all the time.
So, yeah, I enjoyed it.
I would definitely recommend it to people.
Like I said, it's not anything that you're gonna walk away
and being all of, but it's a good laugh.
- As I recall, we both had tears at the end.
They weren't sad tears; they were proud tears.
- Yeah.
So, I would definitely recommend it.
Would you, you would definitely recommend it.
- Oh, yeah.
- So, you know, well, at least we got to end the year
on a positive note, kind of.
- Yeah.
- So, do you have your favorite joke right now?
- Yes, my favorite joke.
Do you know what drug prevents a prolapse to anus?
- No.
- Trying to ask it all.
- God.
All right.
And there you go.
Way to end the year.
- Oh, yeah, yeah, in the year on a prolapse.
- On a prolapse anus.
- Yeah.
(laughs)
- I love you.
- And let me do.
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