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This is episode 90 of the Bear and Curadh podcast.
We're going to talk about mankind.
Why does mankind represent all people?
But mankind only represents women.
Because the people who invented English were sexist?
Yeah.
Social norms.
Now I don't think I've anything to do with social norms.
I remember way, way back in the English class
that the nun who was teaching it said that it wasn't right.
Really?
But that's just the way the books were written at the time.
And it's just perpetuated.
Yeah.
I've never really heard about it until you wrote this down last night.
I mean, just there was a lot about it, but it's a good point.
And the, I don't know where to start with that.
I don't know how they teach English anymore.
I haven't been in school for many decades.
I don't know if the emphasis on correct writing
says that you should use the word mankind
for all people and women kind for women.
Yeah, I'm not sure either.
It's been years since I've been in school.
Excuse me.
So, you're correct, I don't know.
But I mean, no.
God, I mean, what was the last time?
It seems like an antiquated statement anyway.
You mean mankind?
Man, kind of woman kind.
I mean, the last time you really heard it used.
I mean, obviously, the most famous statement
when Neil Armstrong said there's one step for a man.
For a man.
One step for all mankind.
For mankind.
Yeah.
So.
I think his actual quote was one step for a man,
but they had a relay flash right at that moment
when the radar came around and it masked that word A.
Is this the all mankind?
Well, it's supposed to be, this is one step for a man,
which was him.
And then, but a giant leap for all mankind.
Okay.
Hmm.
Interesting.
It's an interesting statement.
You all right?
I'm just thinking, what would an English teacher say?
Now, if somebody used the word mankind wrong,
I mean, how do you, how do you have right
that are correct English with an antiquated word?
I don't know.
I mean, they may not use this anymore at all.
I would think any writer now would struggle with that
and try to find some other word like people.
Yeah.
Yeah, probably.
That's what they should be doing anyway now.
Mm-hmm.
I don't know.
Regardless of what proper English is.
Uh-huh.
I suspect that proper English isn't emphasized as much.
At least not in the writing that I normally read.
Hmm.
It's an interesting concept.
There used to be very firm rules like you had two spaces
after a period and a quote mark goes inside of a period.
Or no, no, it was a period when inside of a period.
And now they kind of say, well, just do whatever you think is best.
Really?
Yeah.
Because I remember they were sticklers with that
whenever I wrote papers back in college.
Yeah, they had a double space on, you know,
tab for when you started a new paragraph.
Two spaces, like you said, every sentence.
And now it's probably whatever word documents
as you should do is what people do.
Yeah.
I know I end up doing that on emails and stuff.
Oh, okay.
I'm following this.
Just because I don't like the little squiggly lines underneath.
I could see that bothering you.
Mm-hmm.
When it's correct in you.
Why are there more male computer programmers than female programmers?
Because we're smarter.
I'm kidding.
I have no idea to be honest with you.
I think it's probably what they're trying to push them for, you know,
trying to get women into more of the sciences and stuff like that.
But from what I understand there is becoming more and more female programmers.
But I know that--
You're not in that industry.
You don't see it, but there are far, far, far, far more men than women.
Really?
Yeah.
It's probably because all the porn that you guys look at online.
You're just more into computers than women.
I'm joking, but I have no idea.
I think I was going to leave you like you said.
You're in the industry.
I'm more than I am.
Well, like 20 years ago somebody had asked me this question.
I would have said something like men are--
I would say women are raised to be task-oriented.
You know, when they clean the house, they do the dishes.
When they do the testing and then they do the polishing.
Whereas men are taught to compile.
Men are taught to be able to break down an engine and put it back together.
Which is a lot like programming.
You have to have an idea of how the whole thing works.
And then you have to know how to put all the pieces together to make it work.
And that's the answer I would have given 20 years ago.
But now I don't think that's valid.
I don't think so.
So, you're not as much of a sexist as you are more than--
Well, I don't think people are raised like that anymore.
Yeah.
That's good.
Men aren't necessarily taught to put together engines.
And women aren't necessarily taught to be housekeepers.
Yeah.
No, I would agree with you.
Would you say gender roles have slightly been adjusted?
I think they've disappeared, don't you?
I would hope so.
I think so.
I think the exchange quite a bit in our lifetimes.
Well, when people find out we're married, they want to ask,
"Which one is the girl and which one is the boy?"
And I think they're not necessarily thinking in bed.
Thinking, you know, who pays the bills and who sweeps the snow off the sidewalk.
In our case, it's whoever is best suited to the job.
Yeah.
Well, sure.
And I would think heterosexual couples would be that way to now.
Yeah.
I would think so.
I'm trying to think of any straight couples that we know that are like that.
I can't think of any.
I mean, not to fall on the old, the old way.
I mean, all the couples I know nowadays are now.
I mean, everybody does everything, you know what I mean?
Even like raising the, I mean, like my sister, she stays and I wouldn't raise the kids.
But I'll leave decided on that mutually.
It's my sister worked before the kids.
And then she still worked for them.
But John does stuff around the house all the time, killing those.
It's not that my sister's expected to stay at home and do all the dishes and clean and make food.
You know what I mean?
So, I don't know.
I would hope they were more past that as a society.
So, I don't know if it's true or not, but I believe that girls and boys are pretty much taught the same.
And that shouldn't have any influence on their decision for a career.
Yeah.
Has it gotten better though?
Like since you started in programming?
For me, absolutely not.
No, there's still far, far, far more men than women.
But I mean, you probably see women now before you probably never saw women at all.
Oh, yeah, like 30, 40 years ago in engineering, there were no women whatsoever.
And now you do see some?
Oh yes.
In fact, the place where I work is so diverse.
People of all colors, of all ethnic backgrounds.
It's not a male white world anymore.
That's good.
So, do you prefer working in this environment?
Yes.
Good.
All right.
So, okay.
Why is it acceptable for men to go shirtless and public but not for women?
Because men are horn dogs.
Yeah.
If a woman were to, like, mothalon topless, all the men would be standing, staring and drooling.
No.
You're that's true.
Just yesterday, or was it a day before, we went to the grocery store and I said, "Did you see that?"
And you said, "What?"
And I said, "That guy who just passed that woman turned around and stared at her ass."
Distrained.
I mean, just out and out with no discretion.
Big tag.
Well, I mean, she deserved it.
She was wearing yoga pants.
I'm joking.
Everybody, that's a complete joke.
It's a terrible joke.
No, but, yeah, you're right.
I kind of noticed that as soon as you said that.
But, yeah, men are pigs, basically.
So, women, I suppose, should have the right to be topless.
But in human society, they just can't.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I mean, you don't really see men.
You really don't know your shirt was anymore, though.
Lesson, lesson, lesson.
Yeah, I have noticed that.
I mean, they're making a big stink about Jason Kelsey taking his shirt off.
It's a football game.
We could take his shirt off anytime he wants.
Oh, just fine with that.
Oh, something's in here.
Something's in here.
But, if anyone knows who Jason Kelsey is, he's apologized.
He's a football player that's related to Travis Kelsey.
He was the football player that's dating Taylor Swift, so maybe that'll be.
You can google it.
It's a nice picture.
So, I had to not dumb that down, but just give it some reference.
Can you really think of any other reason as in tradition?
I mean, it's not because women don't want to.
It's because they can't.
Because men are just pigs.
Everyone has used breasts as some sort of sexual object.
They're basically baby feeders.
That's what they are.
I mean, come on out.
I do remember seeing a meme long time ago where they said,
"Is this picture offensive?"
And it was a woman who had no shirt on.
She was topless.
And it said, "But these are not her nipples.
They took nipples from a man and Photoshopped them over her nipples."
And said, "Well, supposedly this is okay because they're not her nipples showing."
Well, and that's what he does because they will show a woman's breasts,
but they won't show nipples.
Because then it's pornographic.
Like the rest of the breasts belongs below the horizon and should never be seen.
But I mean, what makes pornographic because it's a nipple.
It's so stupid.
And it's just in the body.
I mean, it's just...
I don't think of the children.
Oh, for the love of God.
I say that with simply sarcasm.
I don't know.
I think it's all ridiculous to be honest with you.
I don't know.
But it is funny how there's that double standard.
But I don't know.
It's a key anyway.
Get it.
Why are males still socially thought of as the stronger sex,
but women as the weaker sex?
That's society.
And I think we're talking about physical attributes here.
Because I don't think men are stronger emotionally than women.
They're far...
They're stunted emotionally compared to women.
Well, some people would say that women are too hot-headed emotionally.
You know where the word hysteria comes from?
No.
Hysteria comes from a hysterectomy.
It's having the ovaries removed.
Hysteria is traditionally defined as a woman who's out of control.
Okay.
They lost their ovaries.
That used to be one of the cures for hysteria was hysterectomy.
Well, I didn't realize that.
In the belief that women just could not control their emotions.
Well, it's also like you here like a woman was president.
Once a month you've got to be worried that she can go off the deep end
and start a nuclear war.
How many times do you have to say that?
That's kind of tied to a menopause, not menopause, but...
Yeah.
When she gets on her period, she's going to press the button.
She's going to go crazy.
So that's like emotionally...
Never mind almost every presidential candidate is far past menopause age.
Yeah.
But yeah, you know what I mean?
So, I think this is a two of us stronger physically.
But I mean, probably are stronger to a point.
You know what I mean?
If you have a 200-pound man,
a 200-pound man up against a 200-pound woman,
he probably is physically stronger.
Just by the way that their bodies are made.
I don't know though.
I mean, I see you like physically stronger.
I don't think wait for way it would be,
but a typical man weighs more than a typical woman.
And there would or would have more physical strength.
More mass.
Yeah.
That's where Republicans who are trying to ban trans women in sports,
they say that they have an unfair advantage.
Yeah, that's...
I don't think pound for pound they do.
I don't know.
I really don't.
I haven't read anything on it.
Maybe it would be to have a study done or something like that.
And I really don't think it has anything to do with trans women in sports.
Just like trans women in bathrooms.
They say, "Oh, well, men are going to call themselves women
and peek at women in the bathrooms."
Well, that's like I was saying earlier,
they think all men are going to be horn dogs.
And they're going to use that as an excuse to go into women's bathrooms.
No, but you're right.
And I think that's just animus in disguise.
They just don't like trans people.
Oh yeah, yeah.
That's it completely.
They couldn't stop us from getting married,
so, they're picking on somebody else.
Yeah, well, was that a doubt?
It's ridiculous.
That's absolutely ridiculous.
But no, yeah, I agree with you.
And they're doubling down on that in the elections?
Oh, really?
And that's just going to bite them in the ass because studies have shown,
polls have shown that people don't care about trans people one way or the other.
And Republicans hanging their hat on that is going to kill them.
It'll make it easier for Democrats to stay in office then.
Oh, boy.
And as we said in the last episode,
25% of Gen Z.
Gen Z considered themselves gay or bisexual.
And I think that number's only going to get bigger.
And Republican supports only going to shrink.
Yeah, they're saying right now that the Republicans really need to adjust their whole
pace, their whole movement, and start anew.
They're getting aged out.
That the new younger Republicans need to.
Well, there's always been people saying that.
But I think it has more to do with the evangelicals taking over the party.
Yeah, yeah.
Because I think that's become more and more prominent.
But the whole separation is just our constraints.
It's become so convoluted on the right where it's one and all.
And so many politicians are saying we have a Bible-based government.
No, we absolutely do not.
But they think it ought to be.
So, I think that's the way it will be.
It's just because you want it to be.
It doesn't mean it should be.
Or will be.
Yeah.
So, all right.
Are women naturally more caring and nurturing than men?
You said like you said that.
I mean that you read that.
Are you want me to do it again?
No, it's okay.
Why are women more caring and nurturing?
I guess because they can be mothers.
Okay.
It kind of goes back to the whole.
They're designed to bring on the next generation and men are out to conquer.
Yeah.
And I mean the questions are women naturally more caring and nurturing.
I think both men and women can be.
Oh, most definitely.
You know what I mean?
But I think sometimes it comes naturally to women.
And women that they don't care.
So, we wouldn't want to see her as a mom.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
And I think before a lot of society pushing those norms and you're going to stay home,
you're going to take care of the kids.
Or a lot of like these societal norms have changed over the years.
Now women, you see them more in the workplace.
But before they were kind of handcuffed where you want to have kids.
Okay.
So, dad's going to go out and work while mom stays home.
I mean, even now you catch these stories about stay-home dads and how people laugh at them.
And it's women.
Women in the workplace will sit there and chuck over and they find out that it's a stay-home dad.
That show what would you do?
Yeah.
Anything that would allow.
I don't think it's on any more.
But they did that where they were to take your dad to take your camera set up.
And it was these stay-home dads.
And they set it up where these other actresses were making fun of the guy.
For being a home-stay-home dad.
And it was amazing how many, you know, because they didn't want to see how people would react besides the actors.
How many people were just mums the word, just not saying a word or sticking up for him.
But it just how a lot of women or men would jump on the bandwagon and kind of poke fun at the husband
or being a stay-home dad.
So, the correlation there was that because he stayed home and took care of the kids, he was a feminine.
He's emasculated, yeah.
But I think a lot of that changed.
I hope so because it's ridiculous.
I do remember when I was a programmer like 20 years ago, 30 years ago,
there was a woman programmer and she worked for Digital Equipment Corporation.
And she got pregnant and her boss fired her.
But I'm doing this because you'll agree with me because you get to spend time with your children.
Wow, didn't she file a lawsuit?
I don't know.
Back then, it was probably acceptable to do that.
Even when I joined the workers, I heard of women losing their job because they got pregnant.
He was frowned upon, you know what I mean?
Can you imagine if that happened nowadays?
Yeah, I guess the boss would have to find some other reason and still fire her.
Yeah, finding a baby. It'll be a little split second.
He came in and said, "I gotta let you go because you're pregnant."
That woman wouldn't even get to a car before she was gone and they turned you up.
And I don't blame him, you know what I mean?
But it's also kind of unique to the fact that when a couple does have a baby,
it's okay for the woman to take time off for the child having a good job.
But you can't, the male in their relationship doesn't get paid time off with a lot of companies anymore.
I believe that any company that does business with the government has to get equal.
Yeah, the government now, but I mean in private sector, I don't think that's the case.
Well, the government has a lot of influence in that, you know, any contractor who has any kind of government work is going to be bound by those rules.
Okay, well, but I mean that's just happened within the past years then.
I think it happened when Obama was in office.
In the past three years, you know what I mean? So, it definitely was in our lifetime.
But I mean, even when it was in our lifetime, women couldn't have credit cards.
You think about it.
Ginsburg's the one who changed it.
I don't remember that.
Yeah, I mean, Ginsburg's the one who changed all that.
You know, couldn't have credit cards yet.
A co-signer, a woman's rights have changed a lot in the last 40 years, 50 years.
So, I mean, that's a good thing.
Oh, it's a great thing. I'm not complaining about it at all. I think it's awesome.
But yeah, I mean, you talk to people like your mom's age.
She probably, the first bank loan, she probably got, she probably had to go home and talk to your father about him co-signing for it.
You know, that's all changed.
Yeah, I remember when they opened their business, he was still working for another company.
And she ran that business.
I mean, and even eventually they found out and decided that they didn't want somebody who owned a business to work for them and they fired him.
But even when both of them were working, she pretty much ran that business.
I can see that when I guarantee the first loan that they signed for So, that, your dad had a co-sign for it and I guarantee it.
And their business was barbecue grills and fireplaces and wood stoves and things like that.
And I remember, I worked there from time to time.
I remember there were times when a man would come into the store and my mother would ask if she could help.
And he would say, "No honey, is there a man I can talk to?"
She would come and get me and I would wait.
And the very first question they would ask I would say, "I don't know, I don't know the answer to that. You'll have to ask my mother."
Well, it happens even now with me at the pawn shop working.
There's people that will come in and one of the girls will come in and it's these construction workers will come in with some power tools.
And I will wait for him and my boss, her husband used to own a construction company.
She knows all about power tools and I've never been on a construction site in my life.
I mean, she worked with her husband on construction sites.
It was hilarious. I knew a lot about jewelry and diamonds and stuff so they'd come in until shop and be like,
"Oh, wait for him and take him to me." And I'm like, "Oh, you're going to need to talk to her about these tools."
And then they would come to her, like the women would come and be like, "Oh honey, don't worry about it. She'll look at my diamonds and my stones and then go show her."
And she'd look at me and she'd be like, "Oh, you need to go talk to him."
So, it was like, "Well, well, but that still happens to this day at the pawn shop. You have these chauvinistic men and women that come in."
"Oh, you don't know anything about jewelry." And I'm like, "Yeah, I probably know a lot more and forgot a lot more about jewelry than you even know yourself."
So, it's funny that in 2024, you still have these gender biases and gender roles.
So...
You think that'll change in our lifetime?
I hope so. I mean, it's gotten better. It's not as common as it was when I first started in the business over 20 years ago, but...
Every time I wonder if something is going to change, I think to myself,
well, I never thought we'd be able to get married.
Well, yeah, you know, I think I ain't saying this, but it's true. I think, honestly, with such and such becoming president in the years back, he made everything step back 20 years.
Oh, yes.
He pushed everything back 20 years, without people thinking in his old brick and movement.
But it just seems to you know, people seem to think they have the right to be racist asshole anymore, or, you know, bring back prehistoric times without people thinking, you know what I mean?
And it's okay, but, you know, part of our society just decided to vote them in.
That's why we need to get out and vote this November and make sure it doesn't happen again. So, don't really make this more political, but I really don't want to step back in time again.
Why is it acceptable for young boys to play with action figures, but not play with dolls?
Just back to old society, societal norms and expectations. I think it's a better now, but I don't... we don't have little kids in our...
When the GI Joe doll came out, they absolutely did not want parents to think that their little boy was playing with dolls, and that's when the term action figure came up.
To even get even more convoluted, it's also considered a toy soldier, because companies that make toy soldiers get tax benefits.
Because it's a soldier. It's apparently it's a lot, it's gone way back. It's stupid. It's just stupid. It's really... I don't know what else to say about it.
I remember on... I think it was my mother's 50th birthday, or some big celebration, and a bunch of family came in. We were at their house.
And my mother had gotten out a bunch of our old toys, because she knew there would be some toddlers who would need to be occupied.
I do remember the two little boys went right straight for the puppets, and the two little girls went right for the dump trucks and the jeeps.
So, they were gay and mother being a girl. Yeah, no. I think it's gotten better. I don't know that. Like I said, I mean we have been around little ones.
I think it's... and it doesn't really define gender roles either. It's a toy. It doesn't mean anything.
And it's okay to play with toys that are... that depict violence.
Yeah, oh yeah. That's what's crazy to me. And the parents... they get upset like if the little boy picks up a Barbie, but let them play a video game like GTA where it's not drunk dealing and pimping and shooting people in stealing cars.
You know, but God forbid you let them pick up a Barbie, but you know, let's teach them an H8 that it's cool to steal a car and so crack it some prostitute on the corner in a video game.
So, I just blows my mind.
So, you've heard my stories about that when we go into that, but I don't know. I hope that gets better, but better.
That's all we can do. So, it's not like we're raising any children.
Yeah, so we don't really have any recent experience in this area.
No. So why is it expected for men to wear plain clothing while women can dress in a brightly colored outfit?
That's a good question. There is no reason.
There is no reason. I don't think this is prominent. It used to be.
I see men wearing more brightly colored stuff, but I think a lot of it has to do with marketing with clothes.
So, you can't buy any brightly colored clothes so you can't wear any.
Yeah. You want to go to the women's section and buy, but then are you going to find your size?
And the zippers and buttons are all on the wrong side.
I think you do go to the men's section now and you will find more brightly colored clothes, but it's still not prominent.
I have heard stories of men who put on a pink shirt and got lynched.
Really? That's terrible. How long ago was that recently?
Not really recently now.
I mean, when I worked in retail, I mean, that was 20 years ago.
But we started selling. I worked for the cap.
We started selling pink and baby, you know, like pastels and stuff like that.
And you would hear guys come and be like, I ain't wearing that pink shirt and I would mess with them.
I'm like, it's not pink. It's salmon.
So, you didn't mean, but I would just chuckle at these people.
But soon as they're girlfriends or wives or like, but you look really good in it.
Oh, well, I guess I can wear it, but it was almost in a front to their sexuality.
And I'm like, you're shopping at the gap.
You know what I mean?
The connotation is that wearing those clothes will make you gay.
Or if not gay, at least something may be seen as gay.
And that would be less than what you wanted to be.
Yeah, you're not as masculine. You're more feminine.
Hidden homophobia.
Yeah, that's ridiculous also.
I think that straight men are a little afraid of gay men because they are afraid gay men will treat them the way they treat women.
Yeah, there we go. But it's like, and how people think lesbians all wear flannel shirts on cargo pants.
They don't?
No, they don't. But it was funny the other day, my friend.
She posted on Facebook that this site was like, buy two flannels, get three free.
And she made a comment. She is a lesbian. She goes, oh, I can get my new wardrobe out there.
I said, do you get a free toaster oven at a discount on you all?
She responds and she goes to the keywords discount.
But it's funny how people just have these views.
I think of the way it should be, you know what I mean?
And just like, hey, it's perpetuated unconsciously.
Yeah, that's why you got to think about whatever you do and say anymore, which is good.
But it is. And I think like what you said, I think.
It's like, can you imagine like the guy the other day that turned around and stared at that woman's ass.
If be; some woman had done that to him, no, if we turn around and stared at his ass and get called.
He would have been flabbergasted and probably wouldn't want it to fly. You know what I mean?
Probably would have wanted to fight us, but you know what I mean? It's the same thing.
But I think that's your right. I think there's straight men out there that are afraid of that.
I'll never go to a gay bar.
You're not hot shit just because your dude doesn't mean you're going to hit on by every gay guy that's at the bar.
You know what I mean? That's what makes me laugh too.
And I can see the frustration and disgust by women when that happens.
Because when a male waiter flirts with me at a restaurant, I'm flattered.
When a woman does it, it just plain annoys me.
Yeah. Yeah. It's icky.
I don't know. It's funny though.
Why do most people find it necessary to know for sure the gender of a person they meet and they feel uncomfortable if they're uncertain?
That's a good question. That's a...
That's a true statement, isn't it?
Yeah, I think so. It doesn't bother me. I mean, I don't care. Do you? I mean...
I remember Saturday Night Live. You used to have a whole long series about that.
And Pat?
Yes. Pat and Drudgeness.
And it was all uncomfortable comedy, which I don't usually care for.
It was all about how all these people couldn't tell if Pat was a man or a woman.
Once again, you know, satire looks at society.
Yeah. And it's ridiculous.
I remember when the Pat and Drudgeness character got a significant other named that person Jean.
Really? And you probably couldn't tell either.
You couldn't tell either.
That's funny.
I don't know why people would want to know.
I think if you're just a good human being, it doesn't matter.
Well, my theory is that in the past, they've been embarrassed.
You're talking to a police officer and you say, "I'm sorry, ma'am." And he says, "Well, I'm not a woman."
You know, and that's an incredibly embarrassing situation.
And that's kind of an extreme.
But little interactions like that in society, I think people say to themselves, "Well, I'm going to make sure that I know before I interact with that person."
Yeah.
I mean, it works. There's people when I'm helping them, like, "Yes, ma'am."
And they'll look at me again. I'm like, "Obviously, I'm not. I'm back before Baehrd and all that stuff."
But I think it's just, it's like a slip or something.
"Oh, I'm sorry, ma'am, sir." And I'm like, "It's okay. I'm like, I'm comfortable enough in who I am."
And I'm like, "You didn't offend me. I'm not going to throw my arms up and say I'm not going to help you because you should call me ma'am."
I don't know. I think it's ridiculous. I think it's not childish, but it's just, it's so easy.
And I don't see an answer to that.
No, either do I. I think it's something to the society. You just need to kind of move past them.
You think it'll come to the table. We're in normal conversation. Someone could ask, "Do you prefer him or her pronouns?"
Well, I think that's what they're trying, everyone's trying to do now.
To him, her, they, them. You know what I mean? You see how these celebrities want to be referred to as they, them, or him, her.
I mean, you prefer to be, you know, he, him.
I know sometimes when I post about someone, or not an actual individual, but, you know, like a class of people.
I try to word it in such a way that I'm saying it in the plural so that I can say they and not necessarily mean a particular person.
In certain class, I guess. Now, I mean, you got to know these.
There wasn't too long ago. Someone sent me an email at work, a better problem.
And I had to forward that to my boss and ask my boss for direction and what to do.
And I, I wrote, I don't know how I can help she. And I put, I spelled it S and then a slash and then HE.
Because I didn't, this was a person in another country and I had no idea what the gender of that person was.
So, I wrote it that way. And she just thought that was the neatest thing.
That's, that's good. Look at you. I'm proud of you.
Yeah, I mean, the next time you could put today them, I don't know how they, I mean, I'm still getting used to it.
I need to work on my pronouns. You know, one of my co-workers has a son who's trans and she even said it took her a while to learn how to address properly with her son.
So, there's times where I've slipped up in the past and I've referred to him as a she and then I'm embarrassed.
And she's like, don't worry about it. You know, you're still learning.
And you know, I guess the biggest thing is there's always people are trying and don't blame me disrespect.
That was her thing knowingly So, do it and we're, we're making a joke because it's not a joke.
It's like she referred to her son as her name before she became a he as her dead name.
And they had a problem when they would go see family. The family will refer to him by her dead name and it really upset him.
So, it's, you know, it's not a joke. It's serious. These people, that's how they feel and that's who they are.
Give them the common courtesy of how you would want to be treated in my opinion.
It's not that difficult. It doesn't change your life. Give them the courtesy.
And it felt like you have to cut off a finger for them or something.
It's just given them the courtesy of how they want to be treated and how they want to be referred to.
I don't think it's difficult at all to do. And people who get so upset about it, I think it's, it's, I keep using the word ridiculous but it's exactly what it is.
But you suppose the Republicans who are pandering to their base are using that kind of uncomfortable thing to capitalize on.
Yeah, they're saying you, you shouldn't have to explain this to your children or they shouldn't be making you uncomfortable.
They should stay the way they were. It's a bully mechanism.
You know what I mean? It's, it's, it's, it's not right. It's, it's, it's wrong.
It's, it's so much easier to be nice than to be mean or angry or, or, or hateful.
You know what I mean? I think it really honestly, you have to go out of your way to be hateful. I think people are naturally nice.
So just be nice. Just, you know, it won't be such a better place.
It's just as easy to be nice. It is to be harsh.
I mean, people who are generally nice are generally happier people in their, in their personal life and the professional life.
I think, I think its, people have to work to be mean. I think, I think naturally people are naturally nice.
You have to go out of your way to be mean and evil, in my opinion.
And if not, then you need to really address and rethink the way you're living, in my opinion.
So, one of the Baehr and curl rules for life is be nice.
Yeah, we've talked about this before. It's, it's not that hard.
So, all right. I think it's the end of the, yes, that was the last question.
Okay. So, what's your favorite joke this week?
Why was the archaeologist so depressed?
Why was the archaeologist so depressed? I don't know why.
Because her life was in ruins. Oh, God. Oh, God.
I think it's so cute. You're so proud of yourself every time.
I tried to turn that one around because you don't usually think of an archaeologist as a her.
I mean, you know, gender roles.
Sorry.
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