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We're going to talk about gay pride.
What did you think of gay pride this year?
We're talking about local gay pride and we can really only talk about the parts that we
went to because there was lots of other things and in fact this year their website listed
stuff in other cities which is the first time I think I've ever seen that.
I was unaware of that.
They hit salt pride or something in the salt mines.
So they can run us up in barriers down there?
I guess.
Three miles deep.
It's like the man who would want to do.
Sorry.
Okay.
We, I think it was kind of disorganized, gay pride is always kind of disorganized but this
year more than most.
You think so?
I guess I only went to the few events that we went to yesterday so I didn't go to the
event.
So you think, do you think it was more unorganized, more than usual?
Well, back when I was on the pride committee for like a decade, we made sure everything
was thought out and planned out and done and maybe it was because I was on the pride committee.
Things were organized, nothing was left to chance.
I mean, you were a very organized person too and that's good, I'm not saying anything against
that.
But yeah, I mean, it's been unorganized.
I mean, you kind of come and expect that.
I hate saying that but the gay community.
But I mean, it always seems to start late.
Yes.
It's always an hour late.
Always an hour late.
There's times when they actually start off the parade started off relatively on time.
Well, we don't know.
We were at the end.
We weren't at the end.
That's true.
So they could have hustled it up just to get through the end of the end.
So I'd like to the fact that we didn't go right into the convention right afterwards because
that's only seems like chaos.
Yes.
You know what I mean?
We went home.
We went home in the last and came back and it was much more enjoyable.
I thought it was in the past when we've gone, you know, it feel like we're, we're cattle
being heard and so much more enjoyable.
The entertainment was already on stage.
People kind of settled in.
It was like a big hit on the rush to get somewhere.
So that enjoyed that quite a bit.
So, but yeah, so, but you went to some of the other events and I guess we'll cover that
with the podcast that goes on and discuss that more.
Yeah.
We have those.
Why do we have pride?
I've probably told this before, but I'll tell it again because it's important.
The reason we call it pride is there are so many groups and people who want to shame us.
They think that homosexuals are evil and work for them.
Yeah, we're sinners and all their criticisms pretty much based on shame.
And when they started having the gay rallies, they said we want to counter that shame.
We want to show that we have nothing to be ashamed of.
And you can't call it the shameless parade that sounds pretty bad.
So they use the word pride.
Yeah.
So, that's a good point and it's very good definition of it.
So I really can't really add much more to that.
I mean, you summed it up really well there, but it is something we should be proud of.
Be proud of who you are.
You know, it's come out of the closet, come worrying out of the closet, be true to yourself.
It's like last week when we talked about my point was the podcast last week or the week
before when I came out and how I felt like the way to the world was lifted off my shoulders
and now I really found true happiness after coming out and after being closeted for so long.
So I think it's one thing we need to remember.
And then don't look down upon the people that haven't come out yet.
You know, let them do it on their due time, but they should be proud.
And I do, it's one thing I do really love about going to the parade is seeing more people
like us and seeing how thousands, thousands of people like us and seeing how happy they are.
And seeing young people, seeing old people, seeing different colors, just economic differently,
you know what I mean, socially, but it's, it's the sheer happiness of the people that are there.
You see what I'm saying, it's a moment of joy of happiness and people who are thrilled
to be there.
So even though it might be just organized and everything like that, it's still great to go
to.
Especially the parade.
The parade, yeah.
Exactly.
You see the kids running around and families being, you know, whole families and mixed families
and plenty of families and, you know, people supporting their children, you know, just all
makes a life.
So it's enjoyable.
And I do love going to it.
And me and you, we get to be there and we get to hold each other's hands and smile and
we kiss if we want to.
I love like that and I especially love watching you because you do enjoy it and I think it means
a lot to you that we have the ability to go to these things and be accepted and stuff
like that.
So, but I definitely do enjoy going there with you.
So.
Well, I do have my melancholy moments.
Yeah.
And in mindfully so, you can explain that if you like, I think you need to.
I didn't cry this year.
You didn't.
I might now.
It's okay.
It's all right.
I think of, I think of all the people that should have been there.
Yeah, it's okay.
People that should have been there, but they're dead because of AIDS.
Yeah.
I see those thousands of people and I know there were thousands more that should have been
there.
And you're right.
So at Pride, I'm happy and sad in melancholy and proud all at the same time.
Yeah.
All right, so, it's okay.
Sorry.
I love you.
I know that.
But it is.
It's a sad moment.
But it's a joyous moment.
And you're right, you answered thousands of people who should be still here to celebrate
with us.
So.
And the last few years, I think that's gotten lost on people.
Yeah.
Let's move on.
Okay.
So, the next thing I'm going to talk about was the first event we actually went to, which
was the big gay market.
That was nice.
It was in a park.
I guess maybe they had 30, 40 vendors, something like that.
It's not more, but yeah, it was very surprising.
Is that the first, is this the first year that they did that?
No, I think they had it last year and we didn't know about it.
Okay.
That makes sense.
Well, last year we didn't go to a lot of the events because that's right when you went
to your surgery.
Yeah.
So we missed, I mean, you literally had your surgery, and I think.
Obviously, there were a lot of booths of vendors who probably go from one pride to the
next.
Yeah.
But there were also some locals, there were some companies that I didn't really understand
why they were there, the ones that were selling new roofs and different kinds of insurance
and stuff.
I think they just saw a bargain vendor booth.
You open a game, I'm just going to say a new game market, open a new market to a new client
out.
That's good.
Yeah.
So, I mean, working sales for so long, you look for any kind of sources income you can find.
You can get relatively cheap booths at a place, you never know, one or two roof sold and
make a whole day.
I always try to make a point to go to all those booths and ask for their business card sometime
during the year.
If I need something, I have somebody that I know supports us.
That's true.
Yeah, I noticed that yesterday when we were at the convention that you asked a lot of people
for their cards.
So when I figured that's what kind of what you're doing.
And it's genuine too.
I know you're genuinely interested in keeping their information because I know you're really
big on supporting the community.
And so am I.
But I know we both are, we'd rather support our, I quote unquote, our kind, but you know,
so why not, you know, I'd rather give our money to a local, local person who has something
in common with us in the same struggle than some corporate big way that he care less
about me or you know, or put some rainbow colors on their logo one time a year.
Yeah.
For, yeah, exactly.
And we, I printed up stickers, round stickers and gave them out.
Yeah.
Most people were receptive, you know, most of them put it on right away.
So I know that there's, there was lots of people walking around with the barren cura podcast
sticker it.
Probably had no idea what it was.
Yeah.
Some people did ask me and those people I gave them are cars.
Right.
People, the local goes over really well.
People love our.
Yeah, because of the red, because of the six colors and six colors.
But I think it's, I think they think it's also a South Park.
Yeah.
I, I wish I could have gotten somebody to draw our caricatures or something.
Yeah.
Um, I went with the South Park thing because it was quick and it was to throw together.
I put on there.
I like it.
I mean, it brings people's attention.
I mean, you can see if you look around, we're walking people literally stare at our shirts.
Uh-huh.
And it's kind of funny.
It's kind of like which one is which?
Yeah.
And it's pretty obvious to me.
It is to me too.
And some people don't.
Why they don't write it right yesterday.
A lot of people put the, you know, the spot it.
I mean, we took a few pictures with people.
They wanted them.
So and people are like, Oh, yeah, that's you.
That's you.
So it's neat.
But yeah, we've found a lot of good feedback on the shirts.
And the back of the shirt has the QR code on it.
So somebody can scan that and feel a good right to broadcast.
And you saw the one guy ask about it.
He got her names right.
And he knew that my name is Kaelik and that yours is more of a German based, which that surprised
me.
But then you said he immediately started looking up on his phone and up our podcast.
I handed him our card and he scanned that code immediately and he was gone right to our
web page.
And so it was fun.
So maybe there'll be more people listening for now and at the parade, before the parade
started coming down the street, I handed out stickers.
Yeah, he had a lot, probably 200 or so.
And I ran out for, I ran out of people.
And I bet there was a lot of people went home that night and did a Google search for
Baehr Curadh because they had no idea what it was.
Yeah.
And then you came back and you got my stickers and you went through all those.
Went through all those.
And then that afternoon, I printed more, I think I printed about 600 more, but we didn't
use those.
Yeah.
We didn't.
Yeah.
I brought them to the festival, but I hate to, those are people who paid boost to be
there.
To, you know, to promote ourselves, to step on the toes and pay for their booth.
Yeah.
So, um, Kuma and I used to do pride festivals.
We sold embroidery and buttons and all kinds of rainbow merchandise and, um, it's a hard
job.
And so, it seems like long hours in heat, you know, get a break, and, yeah, this is a long,
long day.
And it's a weekend, generally.
And often there's some guy hovering around the booth the whole day that thinks he's going
to get lucky with us.
And by the end of that day, we are so dog tired.
There's no way we're doing anything with anybody but a shower.
That's too fight.
There you go.
And while I'm proud of the zoo, you didn't go to that.
No.
You had to work that day.
Pretty much it was just, it was $2 off admission at the zoo if you had a button, one of
their buttons.
And, um, there was nobody there selling buttons, that there was no, um, good, but, well, yeah,
there was no, like, area, there was a few people walking around with rainbow stuff on.
That's the only thing I saw.
Hmm.
Well, I'm glad that I didn't take the day off of that because I would have been really upset.
Yeah.
So.
It was kind of a bust.
Hmm.
Well, it's too bad.
All right.
Well, he's already went to that part, where did you want to go over?
The parade.
It was nice.
Um, about as long as it usually is, I think that me that there was a big return out.
Yes.
I think that, um, there was a lot of media who, um, they were in the parade themselves.
Okay.
So, they were telling people about it, you know, on the news in the days prior to it.
Okay.
And, um, I think more people knew about it in the past.
Yeah.
It's, yeah.
I guess, yeah.
It's, it's, it's, it's even more crowded.
Um, it wasn't last year we walked in, it was the year before that we walked in it.
It's insane.
Yeah.
Um, but it's, I guess we get a different perspective when you're walking and when you're
attending it.
Yeah.
We didn't, we didn't go down the path.
I would bet both sides of the street were full the whole way.
Yeah.
And when the last one we attended that we watched wasn't nearly as crowded, um, no, and
it wasn't downtown.
It was in a, well, sort of downtown.
It wasn't on the main street in the, in town, it was on Sunday, sort of a side street.
And, um, I don't, I think they had just kind of started it up again recently.
Yeah.
So, but it was, it was fun, it was a big turnout, um, but it was, um, it was a lot of fun,
you know, we've got pretty good seats.
I thought, um, yeah, right, right towards the end, um, whatever it stopped.
And the, the benches, we stood on the benches so we could see above the people.
Yeah.
So.
Okay, probably, oh, no, cock fight.
You didn't know anything about it.
I had no idea about this.
I think I pointed it out when they came down the street, the anti-circumcision people had
been presence.
Okay.
What was that about?
Why, why, why is that a pink presence all of a sudden?
Um, they, I guess they just decided that that was going to be their chance to, to be
seen by the public.
Okay.
They had, I think, the two biggest signs at the parade.
Okay.
And there was, was quite a few people.
So, they, I don't really know why people consider that controversial.
So, their whole, just is that it, it's bad to be circumsized?
Yes.
And I agree with them.
Can you, can you form in some sort of torture?
Um, totally unnecessary, um, I think I've seen something like there's, uh, 16 square centimeters
of, of skin, um, at least on an adult that, that it's gone to a whole lot of the feeling
and sensation is, is just cut off.
Okay.
Well, originally when it was done was for hygienic reasons, wasn't it?
Religious.
A religion?
Okay.
Sorry, I don't know.
Not that very strong circumcision.
And some people still justify it for hygiene reasons, but in this modern day of age that's
really, no reason.
Okay.
Kind of, um, the vinyl garbage.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
I was glad to see that they were in the parade.
I kind of expected them to have a booth at the festival and I don't think I saw.
There was, there was one I thought.
I thought there was.
Okay.
Um, okay.
Was it with either ones that were walking around saying that Cape Horn was bad too?
No.
Is that another, that was another booth there, um, and I don't know, I don't know what was
up with them.
Okay.
Cause they had some bellies that look like spider.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
So yeah, I didn't know anything about that either.
Yeah.
I asked you if I could deliver a watch, Cape Horn.
So.
Well, let's say if you don't like Cape Horn then don't watch it.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Just don't turn it on.
So it's not for you.
Don't watch it.
Um.
Okay.
You then yesterday fried it the park after dark.
Yeah.
Um, I guess me and you thought it was going to be something that it wasn't.
You know, I thought it was going to be a continuation of kind of mixes between the big game market
and the convention.
That's what I thought it was going to be.
Yeah.
Well, it turned out to be an outward concert.
Yeah.
Uh, maybe four booths.
Uh-huh.
And that's fine.
That's fine.
But that's just not mine in your cup of tea, you know what I mean?
Um, yeah.
There was a lot of people sitting on the grass.
Yeah.
Um, I would never do that in the public park.
I would never sit in the grass.
Um, well, too many people take their dogs, especially in the downtown area.
Yeah.
Because that's that's exactly what they are.
They've come potty, potty points for dogs.
So, um, and when you brought that up later in the day, every time I saw someone sit down
and I was like, Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, stop.
Um, so I couldn't get that out of my head for the rest of the day after you did that because
people were walking over to the grass, like, Oh, we'll just sit here and I'm like, no,
don't do that.
Don't, please don't.
So.
And no one was laying down blanket or anything, you know what I saw.
So.
And it was, it was loud because there was, and the, the indoor festival was loud too.
Yeah.
People singing and whatever.
The drag, drag queen.
I think if I had been in some of those booths right next to the crowd, I'd have been.
Not because.
Disappointed.
Yeah.
And here we are showing our age again.
Turn it down.
It's too loud.
So.
But it means it could turn out.
And, you know, if I was 16 years ago, I'd think I would have enjoyed that more.
And I think the crowd there was younger than that grade.
Yeah.
But you could see, and also what I noticed was that, um, about an hour and a half after we left
two hours out the left, I turned it, I imagine if I was going to turn it in some sort of
drunk vest because most of the booths, or most of the, the food trucks, they were serving
just, and that's just really not mind in your scene, like I said, 15 years ago, I would enjoy
it a little bit more, but that's what I would drink too and stuff like that.
You might have partakeed in a few carcassos also, but, um, it's just, that's really not our
thing.
So we're not seeing anything bad against it.
It's just, uh, it's not our cup of tea, really.
So.
But it was still nice to see the turnout for that.
Yeah.
Although I didn't see nearly as much rainbow wearing people.
So I think a lot of people were just there for free concert.
Yeah.
It could be very moment.
So.
But I did see, I did see quite a bit of rainbow, not as much as it's a parade or the convention
afterwards, but I did see just when I'm handing out stickers.
I look for people with rainbow colors on and I kind of hope and bullish their opportunity.
Yeah.
And the vast majority of them at night were technically.
Yeah.
I would have liked to have gotten one of the swag bags that people were wearing.
Did you see those?
The backpack?
Those things?
Yeah.
I don't know where this is.
They were supposed to be the swag bags that you had your button.
Oh.
I think so.
But I think they look like something that if you got that rate when they opened, you might
be like, "I want some," so like it goes back to the organization level of the whole thing.
So, well, then let's bring up buttons.
We had to have a button to go to most of the events except for the church service.
Oh, right.
I didn't know that.
They had a church service also.
Yeah.
Okay.
But we didn't get any buttons.
We paid for buttons, but we didn't get buttons because they ran out of buttons.
Yeah.
Instead, they printed out business cards, which I can understand, but again, disorganized.
Yeah.
I was there because we collect the buttons that we do, and we keep them.
So, I was a little disappointed in that.
Also, no pride guide.
Yeah.
No pride guide that you paid to be in?
Yes.
We paid $150 for an ad in a pride guide that never got published, that we never did.
Not even digitally published.
Well, last year, they said, "We can't afford to print them, so we're going to make a digital
pride guide," which they did, and our ad was in there.
This year, they didn't even do that.
So, they took the money and ran?
They just took our ad money and...
Yeah.
We need them somehow printed out guides.
They didn't print enough because an hour after the parade, we got there, and there was
nothing.
Now, we need to figure something out about that, because that's a completely appropriate
in my opinion.
You basically just took $150 of our money, you know what I mean, and did nothing in return.
And I did look, again, this morning, to see if their guide was, if they had a digital online
edition, and they didn't print it.
So, yeah, they gave us a little rainbow business cards pretty much to get into the, and the
buttons weren't cheap.
They think they were $10 a piece, so cheaper than real festival, but so something, you know,
we should have got a button, in my opinion.
So, that covers the Pride Guide magazine also, or was there an actual magazine, or do you
think there was...
I don't think there was.
Yeah, I didn't.
If there was, they didn't print enough, because they ran out, and we didn't ever saw it.
So, yeah.
I did ask them to mail us a copy to the bio box.
They've not responded.
Probably not going to either.
And that's frustrating too, because I remember it was a year before last year, basically
they said that they had a new person that came in the town from Kansas City.
I believe, to run, so, which told Pride, to look at your chair, and I think I was retired
from doing what you know I did, and I don't know if apparently you don't remember him
talking, but he was at the rally, and now he was going to change things, and so far, he's
saying it seems changed for the worse.
I mean, more events, that's good, but less organizations never good.
I guess maybe I need to get involved again.
I mean, if you like, I'll support you on a plane.
I can't.
I just can't sit here and bitch, and then not anything about it.
That's true.
So, that seems like we have to talk about, but then, I think, believe it, you said that
one of our listeners joined Mastodon.
Yes.
HuntCub.
HuntCub did?
And he sends us email regularly, and he said, after he heard our episode about Mastodon,
he joined.
Okay.
Well, shout out to him, then, for doing that, that's pretty cool.
So, you know, in fact, that we did have a few listeners just from Pride, so.
Yeah.
Some people that we know listen to each episode, possibly, so they can keep up with our lives,
I guess.
Which is fine.
So, shout out to them too, so, I guess that's all we have for this week, do you have a joke
for us?
Yes.
Okay, what is it?
Why are you looking at me like I'm doing something wrong?
Do you know why Pride is in June and not in September?
Why?
Everyone knows Pride goes before the fall.
(laughs)
I'm sorry.
Sorry.
(laughs)
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