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This is episode 16 of the Baehr and Curadh podcast.
We're going to talk about work.
What did your parents do for a living in your grandparents?
Okay, my father, when I was growing up, worked for the William Riggley Junior Company, which
means he was a chewing gum salesman.
His territory was the state of Kansas, so I don't know, about half of the month he would
be calling on stores across the state, but I'd say most of the time, his calls were in
town.
During that time, my mother, I believe, was a housewife to care of us kids.
Later on, they bought a business, and my mother became the manager of that business, and
my father became like the service guy, the one who went out and fixed things, and that
kind of stuff.
My father's father was a warehouse manager for a candy tobacco company, and I always assumed
that my father got his job with the Riggles through his connections, but when I asked my
mother, it turns out he didn't, he got it some other way.
My grandmother, his wife, she was a housewife as long as I knew her.
Now, my mother's mother, she was a bookkeeper, worked for local savings in the loan, kind of
like a bank.
I do know that she also worked, I think, as like a clerk in the local farmers market, and
she was also the doorkeeper for a speak easy.
That's pretty interesting.
Her husband, my grandfather, was a farmer when I knew him, although I understand he was
a university professor and a gas station owner before that.
I think when he was a professor, he knew William Allen White, which you probably don't know
who that is, but most people who grew up in Kansas know he was a famous author, and I think
newspaper publisher here in Kansas.
How about your parents?
My dad was a police officer, yeah, it's kind of funny, he actually became a police officer
on a dare, but he was a trained electrician, so he worked third shift as a cop.
Then, he would do electrical work in the morning, and start his days over and then my mom,
she did some office work, while I was younger.
When I was real young, she worked at a jewelry store, one of the malls up in Atlantic City.
Then, I knew she worked for a stockbroker for a short time, and then she worked for my bell,
which is now Verizon, and she was a 4-1-1 operator, until she retired.
She jumped around quite a bit in the offices while doing that, but I believe she did that
for almost 15 years, 15 to 20 years.
4-1-1 is where you call and you want to know the address of someplace.
Then, on my father's side, my grandmother made, well, she died when I was like one or two, and
I knew she was in poor health, I don't know what she did.
My grandfather tried, he, I'm not sure what he did either, but on my mother's side, my
grandmother was a nurse, and my grandfather actually worked for a camel soup, so he was an
electrical engineer.
So, he actually dropped out of high school, joined the Air Force to go to war two.
He joined at 17, had his aunt signed the papers for him, because my great-grandparents were
both passed, and I think she had custody of him.
So, he joined, and that's when he lost his leg, actually came back after being wounded
in battle, and went back to school and got, is it the green electrical engineering?
So, I worked for camel soups, I believe, for his whole career, so.
That was your father's father?
No, that was my, on my mother's side, that was bebop.
So, he didn't train your father to be an electrician then?
No, what was your first job?
My first job would have been, when I was in high school, it was soon after my parents bought
that business.
He worked there, mainly doing, like, secretarial work.
I took care of all the mail, did all the correspondence with customers and manufacturers and whatnot.
Later evolved into doing desktop publishing.
I did all their ads, and they did a lot of advertising.
I also did all their flyers, all the signs they had in the store, things like that.
I wasn't aware of that.
I'm really good at desktop publishing, I just haven't used it as a career in a long time.
That's what I was going to ask, and that's some surprise you didn't quite get into that.
Programming pays better.
What was your first job?
My first job was, I was a paper delivery boy.
I think I got that when I was 12, and then I moved up to BA, Bagboy, Cartpusher, Castle,
Supermarket, and Margate.
But yeah, my first job was paperboy, and it was actually a paperboy the month for Atlantic
County when I was going up, because we had a rather large snow storm, and they would drop
off, big truck would come around and drop off the papers to delivery people there.
And I was the only person to get papers at that day, and since I got them, my dad's like,
"Well, that means you have to deliver them now, so we have like a foot and a half of snow.
The whole city was shut down, land city was shut down, everything was closed, and my dad
made me deliver papers, and I had a dog at the time that would go with me on the paper
out, and he would get up every morning with me and go, and that day he lasted for about
a block, and turned around and went home on his own."
So, but yeah, I remember gripping and complaining about it, you know, because it was just ridiculous.
I got paperboy the month for that, so.
What did you get for that award?
My picture and the newspaper and the story about it.
You didn't get a million dollar reward.
No, no, no, no.
What was your major in college?
Administration of justice, or they like to call criminal justice now.
I knew that's what I wanted to do, going into college, and I stuck with it all the time.
Was that your father's influence?
No, maybe, my goal when I was younger, I really wanted to be a Secret Service agent.
You know, FBI is Secret Service, and I guess it did have something to do with my father.
There was a guy that actually worked for my father on the police force who I remember.
As a kid, they had a going away party for him because he left the local police department
and moved up to the FBI.
He was actually in charge of the World Trade Center bombing.
He was one of the lead investigators of World Trade Center bombing.
He had some interesting stories to tell about that, but then they kind of really affected
him.
So then they decided to move him to Oklahoma to get him away from the fray.
And then Oklahoma City bombing happened.
And he was one of the lead investigators in that.
So they tried to get him away from all the craziness of New York, and they put him in Oklahoma.
And then I think that happened a few months after he transferred to Oklahoma City.
No connection.
No.
No, I hope not.
But he did say it was rather amusing because one of the guys, that was one of the masterminds,
they said they caught him in Newark.
And over here, and I'm talking to my father one day that he said it was amazing that Egypt's
like 130 degrees at like four o'clock in the morning basically talking about how they went
over and got certain people out of Egypt.
The cover of night and said that they caught them in, it states kind of dark agent type of thing
stuff.
But I don't know.
I don't know how much of it's true or if that's my imagination, but I thought it's kind
of an interesting story.
Well, and also coming to Wichita, the BTK serial killer was active at that time, wasn't
he?
He was, he wasn't at that time, he was dormant.
He was active in the 70s and 80s, and then he went away for quite a while and then he became
more active, I believe, around 2001, that's when he started contacting.
But when I did my studies, it was before CSI was popular on TV and always profiling shows
were popular.
But that was kind of like my emphasis.
I did most of my papers and stuff like that on-profile with proper wrestler and John Douglas.
It's basically the two guys that the TV show Netflix, mine hunters, is based around as those
two guys.
So it's rather interesting to read about that stuff kind of more of it at the same time.
What did you major in in college?
My major was secretary of science.
My faculty advisor, I was close to graduating with that degree, and my faculty advisor basically
took me out of it.
Really?
She said that she was not aware of any man who successfully got that degree.
And it was basically because the woman who was the head of the department at that time didn't
like men.
She had been treated badly in business, and I guess men were promoted over her, and so she
got out of business and decided to go into teaching, and I just don't think she liked
men.
So she had the situation set up where you had to take and pass advanced shorthand in
order to get your degree, and she was the only one who taught it, and my faculty advisor
said no man that she's ever, ever knew would pass that class.
And she advised me to change my major.
At that time I was really into word processing, and she saw that I had potential in that.
I had a computer, I had written my own word processing program.
She advised me to get into programming, so I did.
I kind of changed over, took different classes, but then I was making a long story even longer.
I started a computer club, and we met once a week, but one of the guys who joined that club
was a programmer for a local aerospace company, and he really liked my work.
He got them to hire me, and I started working full-time doing programming, and I never looked
back.
I didn't go and finish my degree.
So my first intended degree never materialized, but because of that faculty advisor, I did
end up on a good career path, and I don't really have any regrets.
I really do enjoy programming, and so it kind of worked out in the end.
Yeah, she basically gave me the best advice I ever had.
Why did you choose your line of work?
I kind of stumbled into this line of work.
Like I said, I wanted to be a police officer, I actually applied for WPD.
When I applied, I remember I took about a year long process to go through all of the different
steps.
The physical fitness, the background, the lie detector, the Minnesota staff, all the stuff.
I was taking classes with the chief at the moment at the time.
They kind of gave me the bum's rush to get me through.
One of the final steps that you go through is called an oral board, and it was three older
boy detectives.
Well, long story short, we basically got into an argument during the oral board, and it
was going to be the last class to go through on Clinton's crime bill, and so they had just
the score where you needed a higher score higher than normal.
Well, I failed by a point, and I'm not going to go through all of that, basically.
They were very old white picket at men, so they told me I could reapply in a year, and
I, you know, the chief approached me about it, and I said, I'm not going to be a part of
your organization.
If you're having these men decide who and who isn't going to work for your organization,
so I don't want anything to do with it.
So basically, at the time, I was working retail, so I stuck with that, didn't really know
what to do, and I worked for a law firm for a little while at the workforce work.
I got really burned out on that, and then I happened upon the pawn business, it was basically
supposed to be a filling job until I found my real job, air quotes, because the friend
of mine worked there, and he's like, I think you'd be good at this, you know, why don't you
get a shot, and now here we are 18 years later, doing that, and I do really, really enjoy it.
But yeah, I would have never, ever thought I would be a pawn broker, I mean, that generally
we're talking about that yesterday, about 25 years ago, when we were sitting around the
bar, drinking beer together, I think we would be standing arm-to-arm considered some of the
best pawn brokers in the city of Wichita, and yeah, it's both kind of surprising, but it's
kind of funny how life works its way, way out with things.
Why did you choose your line of work?
It's like I said, I really didn't choose it, it kind of stumbled upon it, and it just, it
turned into a career, like I said, I didn't, you know, it wasn't my, I never grew up wanting
to be a pawn broker, I don't think I ever knew being a pawn broker existed, pawn shops
in New Jersey, and Kansas are completely different.
I remember when I started working at the pawn shop, I told my mother what I was doing, and I thought
she was going to pass out, she couldn't believe it, and I had to explain to her, you know,
they are different, they're not quite as city in like the underbelly of society like they
are back home.
I don't know if they're the same way now, but pawnbroking has changed quite a bit in the
past 25, 30 years.
I never thought I would be doing it, but I do enjoy it, so I stick with it.
You do have people in this city who work for large manufacturing companies, who do a skilled
job, you know, a manufacturing job, and when there's contracts, the money's good, and they
buy jet skis and fancy trucks and whatever, and then when the contract's end and they get
laid off, they have all this stuff that they can't afford, and so they pawn it.
So I can see, there's, I mean, there's a lot of pawn businesses in this city.
Oh yeah, I mean, there's a movie with John Cusack in it, where it basically paints which
tall as nothing but pawn shops and strip clubs, I think it's called Blue Harvest or something
like that, but yeah, there's, and it's true though, it's like you said, these manufacturing
jobs for the major aerospace companies, you know, they work and then they'll go and strike
them. Instead of a lot of these people, instead of investing in their future on case, they
stick to their little houses, but they'll have, you know, they'll have a boat and four jet
skis and a camper and all of this stuff, and then, like you said, once they're laid off,
they start parting with those things, and then also their machinist tools, and that's
why that part of town, the Southeast part of town is just riddled with pawn shops because
they're all around the aerospace, you know, manufacturing corporation.
Well, I didn't choose my line of work, but I'm glad that I am in it. I suppose if I hadn't
had the gumption to start that computer club, I don't know if I would have ended up where
I am. It's interesting how doing something, I suppose, for the good of the community. My
computer club was to let everyone benefit, you know, by sharing code and things. And it
ended up giving me a pretty good paying job. I can't say it's not something I wouldn't have
chosen, but it did sort of choose me. Also, I want to throw in there right now. Congratulations
on your new job. I know that we've talked about this before, but I want to congratulate
you on our podcast. You start next week. I'm very, very proud of you. It's been a long
and arduous road trying to find this position for you, but you finally did it, and I couldn't
be more proud of you. And I'm just so super excited for you. And I'm very proud of what I
said of you. Congratulations, spare. I just wanted to let that out, and let everybody know
that my wonderful husband is gainfully employed. No, I haven't got a paycheck yet. I haven't
even started working yet, but I have all the paperwork in and everything, and I sure hope
it works out because it will be a steady paycheck. And with a long-term company that I don't
think is going to have, it's not going to be a case where my job is based on one particular
customer there or anything. So I really hope it's the last job that I have for the rest
of my life. I would really like to have a nice steady job for the rest of my life.
Well, I'm proud of you. I'm very proud of you. Thank you. Did you always want to be a pawn
broker? No, no. Like I said, I kind of stumbled upon it, but then after doing it shortly, I picked
up on it really, really easily. I mean, I moved up pretty quickly in the company. I just picked
up on it because it's kind of, I explained it basically. It's almost like retail with
an attitude, but it's something different every day. Like I said, I did retail clothing
before that for a while. It was a manager to start it as seasonal and then became full-time
and then became a manager for a rather large clothing company in college and did that
right out of college. But now, I do enjoy it. Sometimes it drives me crazy, but yeah, I never,
ever, ever. If you asked me when I was 18 years old, that if I would be a pawn broker, I
probably would have looked at you, look at your two heads. I just never foresaw anything
like this happening. Did you always want to do your current position right in code or?
No, growing up, I wanted to be a science fiction writer. Well, that's right, that's right. But
I was advised by so many people that it is a feast or famine type of job. And I'm not
cut out for that. I'd rather have the steady pay check. Yeah. Well, I think most people do.
And programming, it sounds like an analytical job, but it can be a creative job too. Maybe
my background in desktop publishing helps me and I'm able to create an attractive looking
program as well as a functional program. I don't think a lot of people really realize that
you've well-rounded program has to have both. Yeah. Give me an example of when you thought
outside the box. I'm trying to think of an example. It kind of happens almost in a daily basis
to what I do. When I started doing this, you really kind of look up pricing on the computer
program that it wasn't connected to the internet really. You basically have to know what things
were worth on your own. Well, now they have programs where you can just type in the name
make models of something and the computer program will spit out information for you. So you
kind of have to think out of the box quite a bit. You know, you can just be a clerk and do whatever
the computer tells you to do. But when you're a pawnbroker, you look at the item and you have to
take an account. If it's resellable, the easiest quickest way to describe it would be, you know,
like, silver is not very expensive right now. So we only pay like 30 cents a gram right now for it.
So most of the time, it's just not worth it. People will bring in these necklaces,
change their bracelets that are silver. But, you know, the clerk would sit there and be like,
"That's worth $2." But if you're looking at it and it's a nice piece of jewelry, you can buy it
for more than that. And you can tell the people who have experienced doing it because they'll
look at it and be like, "No, you're not going to get $100, but I'll give you $15." Because I know that
I can turn around and sell it as something else, not just silver weight. So that takes a little bit
of thinking out of the box, thinking out of the box. That's one thing you get to do. And then I mean,
it's also, you have to get to know these people. And I think a lot of people have this view as pawn shops
are there just to rip people off. And it really isn't that way. I can say that with 100% certainty.
I sleep all at night. I know that I'm not screwing people over. I kind of tell people that
the building that I work in isn't free and I don't volunteer. So, you know, we have to make a
profit. But some people I believe come in with items and they think they're going to get close to what
they paid for retail. And it just doesn't work that way. You know, we have to turn around and give them
percentage of what it sells for used. So, say, an item sells for $300 and new, but it's selling on
eBay for $150. Well, that's what I'm going to have to resell it for because the first customer that
comes in off the street purchased that item. They pull out their smart phone and go, why would I buy
it for you from you for this amount of money? But I can get an eBay for this amount of money.
So, people, once you get explained to the people, they understand it. But they're generally not very
happy. But I just think it's a lack of knowledge on their part where we have this image of ripping people
off. Well, I've always wondered, are there times when you are afraid something might be stolen and
they're pawning it? Oh, yeah. What do you do in no situations? Well, back in the day, it was great.
You could turn around and look at them and say, it's stolen. I know this isn't yours.
It's like in the springtime, you know, some kids come in and you can tell that people have let their
garage doors open because some kids will come in and they have a set of $1,500 golf clubs.
And, you know, there's certain questions that you ask them and you'll be like, oh,
so what do you use this five or four? You know, how far do you drive the ball? And they look at you,
like a pig looking at a wristwatch. They have no idea what you're talking about. And you can just tell
but back in the day, you could say things like to people and now you can't say a word. You'll have
a lawsuit on your hands in a split second if you even ran around about it. So you just say, like,
we already have too many of those things. We already have too many of these or what we do is we
lowball them then because a lot of people don't realize that there's a whole pond unit through WPD
that actually goes through every pond ticket, that every pond shop in the city writes on any given day.
And they contact us and then I think that people don't realize that if we buy stolen merchandise
99% of the time it gets, you know, the police are aware it gets confiscated and we're out the money
and the items. So we're a victim also because we gave money on its stolen item and we never recoup
the money that we gave for it. It's, if we do, it takes years and years and years and years and years.
There was a case where a guy stole a bunch of high-end stolen machines. He apparently had a
pill problem. He said he was the owner of the company. Well, the owner of the actual company came
into the pond shop and said, I have $10,000 worth of stolen merchandise and no, he's not the owner.
I am well, but I got arrested for grand theft. So we get, we get a paycheck about once every three
months for like $12 to pay, pay us back. So you were never going to see the $10,000 that were out on
the items. So you're saying that there was a judgment against him and he agreed to pay and he
pays $12 a month. It's $12 like every three months. You think he'll ever pay it back?
Oh, no. Because as soon as he gets at a jail, there's no way really for them to, and it's just not
worth our time or effort to. It's just one of those things that we just chalk up as a loss.
You know, we do have insurance for things like that. It can be very frustrating. I think I get
more frustrated with when the people think I was born yesterday. I know you can just
tell that this stuff just came from Walmart or Target or whatever because people will come in
because thieves start the smartest people in the world. They'll come in with like eight of
the same item and it'll be like say a ranch or a socket set and you can add like, you know,
oh, I want to get some of these. Although I got them all for Christmas and they'll say that in the
middle of August, it's just it gets frustrating when I said thieves think that I don't have a clue
in that I don't know that the merchandise they're handing me as hot as a frying pan. So I mean,
that gets to be frustrating. You work both others?
I want to say yes, but no, you probably don't get it. No, I work better with computers than I do with
people. Computers are consistent. You do the same thing and it does the same thing in response.
Oh, say don't back talk. Yeah. How about you? Do you work well with others? I think I do.
Yeah, I believe I do. I mean, I have to deal with. I should say I have to. I do with people on a daily
basis. So I mean, there's ups and downs, but I think I work well with my coworkers and, you know,
the general public, but I mean, the public, I mean, there's going to be people, you know, they're coming
in there. They're not having the best day of the lives. They need money and a pinch. So they're not
normally in the best head space. No, I think I do. You know, people pretty well. There's probably
people out there who completely disagree with me, but hey, you can't make everybody happy.
Do you think the customer is always right? No. You didn't even think about that. No, no, no, no.
No, that's why I call upon broken. It's kind of customer service with an edge. With an edge? Yeah,
with an edge. Explain that. Just the customer's not always right. I mean, if the customer's always
right, when they came in the upon shop, there'd be no pawn shops. We'd be all broke. I can't tell you
how many times. Well, I'm going to pick my item up. I'm going to pick it up. I have a whole store of,
I'm going to pick that item up. I mean, that's why there's stuff. What does that mean? Pick it up.
Well, you know, bring, okay, the way the loan works, it's a 30 day loan. It's a collateral loan. So
they'll bring you an item and I give them the monetary value of what, you know, percentage of what
you would reseller for it and it changed. I presented changes anywhere on precious metals, stones,
guns, tools, stuff like that. Well, the people come in and you know, you can percentage of that
and it's a 30 day loan, like I said. So for them to come pick up their loan, it would be whatever
the amount they borrow plus 10% interest in states vary on that. Well, people will swear up and down
that, you know, I'll be back within 30 days to pick it up, you know, so they would have to pay the
the amount that they borrowed the principal plus the interest that's due. Well,
pawn shops have stuff from the sales floor because there's people default it on their collateral loan
because we take possession of it once they default. It is ours. That's why it's a collateral loan.
So therefore, I said, you know, that's, I have a whole store of, I'm going to pick it up because these
people, they didn't come and pick up their loans. You know, pawn shops want people to pick their stuff up.
The money that we make is generally on interest. People think it's a very high interest rate,
but 10% isn't really that bad. I mean, annually, it's pretty high, but it's meant to be a short term cash
loan. You don't want to keep your things in pawn for a year because yes, you're going to be paying
120% interest, but I know like Oklahoma has 30% interest in mud. I think Nebraska's like 20 or it
might be flip-flop, but so. Well, in the computer business, the software business, the customer is
supposed to be always right. I mean, they're supposed to know what it is they want and what you have
to do to get it to them, but they don't always know exactly what they want or at least they're not
very good at expressing it. After they tell you what they want and you try to figure out what it is,
they actually need and you give it to them, then first thing they do is say, well, that's not what I
meant. Yeah. That's, I suppose, a given for the industry. That's going to be pretty frustrating though.
Especially when you've worked a week on something and they go, well, that's not what I meant.
That's what I said, but that's not what I meant. I wouldn't be able to do that. Like I said, the
computers are predictable. The customers are not. Yeah. Technically, the customers always
write, but no, they're not. What's one thing about your field of expertise that almost no one agrees
with you about? That, you know, I prepare for these questions kind of. That's one that I really,
we hate saying this, but it's almost like with co-workers, we almost have like united front.
You know, meaning to come across, it's like us versus them. We all generally have the same idea.
I would say there's certain people that I've worked with in the past that back is stolen merchandise.
I've heard people say, well, that's between them that they do what? Like taking in stolen merchandise.
Oh, we can get it. They doingly do. Well, yeah, they like, you know, well, we're getting in on the
cheap and that's between them and the police. And I'm like, no, you're just eating and embedding
theory. I don't like thieves. It makes honest people in the long run pay more for product,
product, and then it contributes to the fact that there is some salicy pawn shops around and I don't
want to be associated with that. So I get rather heated about that and I've gone round and round with
not any employees now, but employees in the past. People co-workers that I work with. And that's
like one of my biggest pet peeves because we can turn down merchandise anytime we want. I can't sit
there and call them a thief or anything like that, but I can just turn around and say, I'm not interested.
I have too many of them. And some people just aren't even afraid to do that. I mean, Bloomberg,
you have to be kind of cocky, be self-assured, and you're the boss. You know, you're the one who's
handing out the money. I mean, you have the best interest of the company in mind because you want to
collect a weekly paycheck. And you know, I have bills to pay just like anybody else. And I mean,
say, I think sometimes customers forget about that. They'll come in, you know, and it's like, I'm like,
I don't own this company. This isn't my money. This is my job doing this.
Maybe that's one of the things that people don't agree with me on, but I would say the majority of
people agree with me on that. How about you? Well, there's one thing in the software industry that
almost everybody believes that is not true. And that is that computer programmers are gamers,
that they love playing video games. And I do not. No, you absolutely hate them.
Don't like, I don't even like solitaire. Yeah, you don't like board games. I don't, I don't enjoy
any kind of games, but alone video games, where I have to. I think you played Voter the Ring,
Voter the Ring's Legos with me once in my apartment. And I think it's because
cable was out or something was out. And you played it for a short while, but I think you lost the
attention to it within about 10 minutes of playing it. And you kind of just went and did your own
thing lower on a mission. I don't remember that. I knew you wouldn't, but
everyone seems to universally agree that programmers are gamers. And I am a living example that
it's not true. Hmm. That's interesting. What's your favorite productivity hack?
I don't have a hack. I would say my thing is just be busy all the time. There's always something to do.
It drives me crazy when I just sit there, you know, we're working and I see people standing there
doing nothing, or they're on their phones. It's work smart, not dumb. So, you know,
just little things that make your job easier. So, I want to say their hacks to me. It's just common
sense, but it's like we've talked about before. Common sense isn't very common anymore. So, no,
it's not. How about yours? Well, it sounds like you're just a broker, right? Yeah, it sounds like
you want to be the manager. Well, I was in management before. But, you know, after losing my leg,
I had to cut back on hours and stuff. I mean, I still do some of the managerial work.
My boss is, you know, I manage with them. So, and I'm fortunate out there with friends of mine. So,
because I would think most employees wouldn't even think to put it keep an eye on the others to
make sure they're busy. Yeah. I guess maybe I'm just a pushy coworker than the one that everybody
hates. Maybe everyone does hate me. I don't know. Well, my productivity hack is what I have to do
something on the computer more than once. I write a program to do that. There's nothing more
annoying than having to do the same thing three times. Now, that sounds kind of simple, but
when you write a program at a tool that you need to use in the future, you have to provide for all
kinds of potential possibilities. So, it's going to take you longer to write that tool, that program.
So, it kind of feels like you're wasting a little bit of time. But, if you've done it twice,
you know, there's going to be a third time and that third time is going to go so much faster if you
have a program already set up to do that. So, your hack is the safe, safe, safe, safe, safe. Yeah, I suppose.
Maybe that's why I don't like games. I don't have the patience to repetitively do stupid things.
So, I would rather spend a little time writing a program to automate that for me than to
have to continually do it over and over again. That's my productivity hack. Okay. What occupation would
you like to try? Growing up, I wanted to be a science fiction writer. I suppose if I was in a place
where I was financially secure, I didn't have to worry about getting a paycheck. I might go to that.
Don't know that I will ever be in a situation like that unless somebody gives me a million dollars or
something. But, yeah, I would like to be a writer. How about you? I'm probably along those same lines,
but not writing, probably drawing, sketching. I think it'd be really cool to actually illustrate a
comic book. I think that'd be really, really neat, but I don't know. I know I don't have the skill to do it,
but if I did have the time or, you know, I know I use my sketching and drawing,
illustrating more as a type of therapy than anything else, but if I had more drive,
I think that would be really fun to do. Especially if you weren't having to worry about getting paid
for it. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it just turned into some sort of income, because I do enjoy it when I do it,
but it's just sitting down and doing it. But, yeah, I think that would be a lot of fun.
Okay. Tell me something that you think almost nobody agrees with you on.
Probably go back to the, you know, the customer's always right? Yeah, that's not fair either.
There's another one that I put a lot of thought towards. Like I said, everyone that I work with really,
so we're really on the same page, and we kind of have to be, I guess, you know, like you
hanging around about me being a manager, maybe just the different ways of managing. You know,
I'm not a manager, but I was one of the past. I treat people the way that I want to be treated.
I don't find there's a need to ever talk down or be little someone who works for you. I think if you
lift them up and mold them and guide them, that always works better. So, you know, I think that
just works better. And then you have a oil hardworking, hardworking individual that wants to work harder.
It's someone you can mold, and then I think, and then it helps you in return, too.
Maybe, maybe that, I know that's kind of a convoluted answer, but probably just different
management styles. And I'm not saying mine's right, but that's just the way that I like to do it.
How about you? What do you, I mean, this has nothing to do with work, but I think something
that's true that almost nobody agrees with me on is there are no gods.
Well, you worship the ground, I walk on. I'm kidding.
Yes, I do. And me too. That doesn't sound at least bits sarcastic, is it?
Okay. Well, I guess that covered everything that we're going to talk about this week.
So, I guess we're in your favorite time in the show. What is your favorite joke right now?
What is the difference between a magic act and a rocket?
For some reason, I think this is going to be dirty, but I have no idea.
A magic act is a cunning array of stunts.
All right, guys, we might have to think on that in minutes.
I wish everyone could see the look on his face when he tells these jokes.
Well, that's definitely enough for this week. This is Baehr.
This is Curadh. Goodbye.
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