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Bears.
I like that, that's cute, nice playing words.
So only when you read it, if you're just hearing it on a podcast, you don't know what that
means.
Yeah.
The pair a normal, paranormal bears, so you can probably guess that this is going to
be about paranormal stuff, this podcast.
Yes.
The local paranormal group had an open investigation at the Museum of Aviation, it was a pretty
much called the Kansas Aviation Museum; we decided to do that two weekends ago.
We bought tickets, it was $40 per person, which my co-worker’s thought was an atrocious
amount of money to spend on, something like that, until I reminded them how much they
spent going to concerts.
Exactly.
And what did they say to that?
$200.
About five times as much money, so yeah, I think it was worth the money.
Oh yeah, well preparing for the investigation, I must have triggered something at home.
Because we kept hearing shuffling noises in the house at about 9 p.m. every night.
Yeah, once we decided we were going to go do it.
And I prepared for weeks ahead of time.
Yeah.
And then the shuffling sounds, started moving around, it was originally in the attic over
the hall, moved to the bedroom and I don't know, it seems like when I think about the paranormal
investigation that's when the sounds come back again.
The last time was when we first tried to record this podcast and that evening, I heard those
sounds over the kitchen and then stomping sounds like somebody was stomping.
Didn't you hear a scream also?
Yes, then I heard a scream.
Yeah, I was asleep, so I didn't hear any of it.
It's so bizarre.
I think it triggered something.
Yeah, and it's been calm though now for the past few days.
Yeah.
I mean, it's interesting to see if anything happens tonight.
Yeah, it should be interesting.
We're coming up on that time.
Electronic voice phenomena is voices recorded on a media like a tape recorder or an audio
digital recorder.
We took our field recorders with us and recorded the entire experience.
The same field recorders that we used to do our podcast.
Yeah.
People presume that EVP voices are dead people speaking.
I'm not so sure.
I believe that the human mind has a normal, enormous mental potential.
And I don't think you necessarily have to be dead to use it.
They call that astral projection, when somebody mentally leaves their body and goes somewhere
else.
Oh, okay.
What do you think of that?
If it's possible or not, I don't know.
I've never really thought about it much.
I mean, the interesting definitely interesting, I mean, what do you think?
I mean, do you believe it's possible or?
I think it's possible because I just said it.
Okay, all right, I'm skeptical, so I think our own minds can make things up.
Also, you know what I mean, you want to believe badly enough.
Yeah, I believe that probably has a lot to do with it.
When people recite incantations, they'll say the same thing over and over and over again.
I think it's to build up mental energy.
Okay.
It's a good point, to focus on it.
That's a good point.
Yeah.
Another bad point.
The mind is probably a lot more powerful than we think.
Oh, I think they've said that for years that we've done, we have no idea how much we use
of it actually.
We've only used a small percentage of it, but how can you really test that?
I mean, is there...
Well like Catholics will have a prayer service for a particular person, like somebody’s
in the hospital, they call it a rosary, and they say the same prayers is like several hundred
times.
Okay.
So that's a prayer, you could think of the power of prayer the same...
Yes.
It's a good point.
Probably as close as I'm ever going to get to religion.
Yeah, I would agree with that.
Does intent matter when recording an EVP?
Apparently, it does.
Think so?
Because we have recorded hundreds of hours of audio for this podcast, and like when we
go to the zoo or I go to the park to record birds, and I've never heard any voices on any
of it.
But I wasn't intending to either.
I wasn't...
You weren't looking for that.
I wasn't asking for that.
And you weren't looking for it.
Hmm.
Yeah.
That's interesting.
Well, that goes back to what we'll get to later in the podcast, the park.
Mm-hmm.
So...
Do disembodied entities use our emotions as a fuel source?
I don't think, they speculate that they possibly...
I mean, there's no way you could test it, I mean.
And I've seen ghost shows where they speculate that they...
I think fear is a very powerful emotion.
That's a very good point.
That's very strong, but...
Kind of like, what was that Pixar movie where they were scaring kids for a power source?
In and out.
No.
Monsters Inc.
Oh, yeah.
Monsters, okay.
They would go...
They could have come out to closets of little kids and scare them and use that for power.
Yeah.
That's the way I envision it.
Hmm.
Okay.
No.
Nothing like relating to a Pixar movie.
I guess.
Yeah.
What's...
Yeah.
I know you talk about movie.
You talk about it.
No.
It's a point.
So, yeah.
I mean, possible.
And I mean, it's from what I've seen.
Like, in shows and stuff like that, it always seems to work, that way.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Somebody will hear a knock, or a loud noise, or something and get really scared and then things...
Get good.
Accelerate.
Yeah, things get...
And generally, pretty quickly, so.
Mm-hmm.
So, this was the first time we ever used two field recordings at the same time.
Yeah, because we normally just use one at a time.
Yeah.
And the only reason we have two is because I updated the field recorder to a 32-bit float recorder
and they did not ask for the old one back.
Yeah.
So, we have two of them.
Yeah.
I was worried about keeping them in sync.
Mm-hmm.
You brought the clicker.
Yeah, so I brought the clicker.
But I forgot to use it.
Didn't you use like a loud bang at someone did?
Yeah, right.
Before we split up into groups, somebody dropped something and it made a really loud noise.
It was enough for me to synchronize the two recordings.
Okay.
So, it didn't sound like we were echoing every time we talked.
Okay.
What was amazing is they both stayed in sync the entire four or five hours that we recorded.
Well, yeah.
I mean, you started in line and touched it.
I basically...
I didn't use it.
I basically held it for you.
I was like, I'm not...
I was afraid to death.
Well, that wouldn't have made any difference.
I just didn't think the technology would hold up for four or five hours.
Mm-hmm.
But it did.
Yeah.
Yeah, we got a lot of stuff that you already gone through at home.
Mm-hmm.
I made a laminated card with about 20 questions to ask during EVP sessions.
Mm-hmm.
And you said I shouldn't cut the number of questions to about half that.
It's about half that.
Yeah.
Or did you think the ghosts were going to get bored with us?
I just thought that would be becoming...
No, I just thought it was too long-winded.
Because there was so much to cover.
And we had so much limited time in each area on that floor.
And I didn't think we'd have enough time, partly.
So, you know what I mean?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, it just...
And it was...
I didn't want to keep people held captive in one area trying to be quiet.
Mm-hmm.
You know what I mean?
And after we left the first area, we went off by ourselves.
Yeah.
And we sort of abandoned all the other people.
We did our own thing for the rest of the trip.
Mm-hmm.
We probably should explain how it all worked out a little bit.
I mean, it was...
Yeah.
It was...
I think it was supposed to start at seven.
And it ended at midnight.
Yeah.
And so, when we got there, they sent us to the...
Like the movie room.
And then, once the paranormal group got there
they sent us up to the conference room.
Just a much bigger room and hold more people.
And they had reservations for 30 people.
I thought it was 25, but it was 30.
So, they divided everybody up into three groups.
Because there's three floors.
30 people in that museum.
I mean, there's a big round rotunda in the middle of the building.
There's two stories.
And all of the exhibits everywhere are behind glass.
So, there are reflective, echoing surfaces everywhere.
Yeah.
And when you've got 30 people in the same building all walking and talking at the same time.
It's loud.
It was almost impossible for us to...
I guess, contamination.
Outside noise.
Yeah.
You can't tell if a noise is coming from an entity or if it's coming from one of those 30 people in the building.
Yeah.
Yeah, almost there's almost two crowded.
Yeah.
So yeah, they put us up into three groups.
Three groups of 10 and we each got to go each group got to each floor for about 45 minutes to one hour.
So that's how it generally worked.
We asked about accessing the airplanes on the tarmac.
But they said the door to the tarmac was locked.
And they did say that they could ask the woman who ran the place if she would unlock it.
And we could go to one of the planes.
But that was going to be like a special request and we decided just not to do that.
Yeah, I think we were ready to go to by the time we left.
Yeah.
So, hours and hours.
Yeah.
So, we were there and we kind of just like, like we said, we kind of...
We stuck with the group and we kind of went off into our own thing and left when we were ready to go.
I wanted to ask if they ever used water vapor as a detector.
And did they never say anything, did they?
We didn't ask any...
The only question I asked was whether we could go on the tarmac.
Because by then it was like 90 minutes later and everybody was anxious to get started.
I didn't want to ask.
I had tons of questions that I wanted to ask.
But I didn't ask any of them because I didn't want people to be irritated with me for taking even more time.
Maybe we should have stayed afterwards after that.
Well, I guess if we could have found the person who was in charge of the paranormal group,
maybe we could have gotten off, maybe go back to the conference room or something and ask those questions.
But at that point, it was hours and we retired and I didn't want to go find her.
That's fair.
We were interested in the Women In Aviation area.
Amelia Earhart was born and raised in Atchison, Kansas.
That's right.
In fact, they call Atchison, Kansas one of the most haunted towns in the country.
I wonder why that is?
I mean, it's obviously not.
Her fault.
There is a place they call the Sally House.
It's extremely haunted, I guess.
And there's some other mansions.
I think paranormal has kind of become an industry in that town.
Well, I've heard about that before.
It's super haunted.
There's people saying that it's like a gateway to Hell.
There's some beautiful homes up there.
I mean, driving through there and stuff.
Sorry, not to get off topic.
Speaking of the paranormal.
Yes.
Kitty, go away.
Atchison has got to have a museum about Amelia Earhart.
That they should.
I don't remember seeing anything in the Women In Aviation part of the museum.
About Amelia Earhart.
There had to be some, but I didn't see it.
The only thing I remember seeing was when you showed, you pointed out a NASA picture.
And I thought it was Sally Ride.
Sally Ride, but it was Christy McCullough.
Yeah, the teacher who died in the Challenger.
Disaster.
Yeah.
That's really all I remember about that exhibit.
Same here.
We've wanted to ask if they had ever investigated any of the BTK serial murder sites.
I think that would be interesting.
And I don't, wasn't there like a dozen different houses that he killed people?
No, it was like five or six, but it's still plenty.
So out of that many, there's probably going to be somebody who would rent out their house for a thousand dollars or something.
Yeah, you know, yeah, I don't know.
I mean, they might have had offers before and just, let's let sleeping dogs lie.
I did see an article from a guy who bought one of those houses and was not told ahead of time anything about it.
Oh, really, wow?
But all I could read was the first paragraph because it was, I think, the New York Times.
And you had to pay to read their articles.
And didn't want to read it that bad.
No, I don't blame you.
And one of those houses we can see from our front porch.
Yeah, just right down the street.
Yeah, about a block away.
It's that close.
Yeah.
Come.
HauntedHouses.com says that the former Wichita Airport we investigated was there was where the bodies of soldiers who died in South of Vietnam were processed.
That's interesting.
I think it's interesting enough that I made it a point to talk about on this podcast.
But I could not find any corroborating evidence of that.
Okay.
If HauntedHouses.com made that up, I have no way to know.
Yeah, I don't know if it's true or not.
Yeah.
Well, it's interesting one way or another.
You know, I imagine that if so, a lot of bodies went through that museum that we were at.
Yeah.
It's sad.
Yeah.
Okay.
This event was open to the paying public so there were a lot of people not taking it seriously at all.
Which I guess is to be kind of expected.
Yeah.
There's a group of 30, like we said.
There was a bunch of people there.
There was one person that was really interested in her and her brother.
I would say.
So, we teamed up with them immediately.
Her name was Millie and her brother, his name was Clinton, but she called him Bubba.
And so, we called him Bubba the whole night long.
The only reason I remember his name is Clinton is because we recorded everything.
I was wondering.
I was like, how the Hell did you remember that.
I hope they, well, I don't know if they listen to this.
I guess it's okay.
Well, we gave them a card.
It's not his memory.
It's bad.
Yeah, it's our memory, yeah.
But she was, Millie, was very interested in the paranormal.
And when we went to split up into groups, she came over to us and said, we want to be in your group.
You guys look like you guys look like you know what you're doing.
We want to be with you.
I didn't really know that I was putting off that kind of vibe.
We did.
We came in like gangbusters with our backpacks.
With our backpacks, yes, and our field record is going.
Yeah.
Yeah, we came in gangbusters.
I mean, yeah.
So, I guess it stood out.
But I'm glad it was nice to have a couple of people we could talk to about serious things.
Yeah.
Yeah, and that's something to say.
There's another people there that were serious about it.
I just didn't seem too serious.
Yeah.
It was a public event.
There's all kinds of people in the world.
The investigation was in the dark.
And I was hoping for that because I brought a laser grid.
It's a green.
I think they call it an argon laser.
It's very strong.
And it has a prism.
You can screw on the end that divides it into hundreds of little beams in a grid pattern.
And the idea is you turn that on.
And if there's any shadows in the room, it will cover those lights.
Yeah.
So, you can see the little pin lights going out.
We did that late into the investigation.
I brought my old cell phone that I wanted to use as a video camera.
So, I was going to set up that grid and then turn the cell phone on to record the video.
And if any, the lights went out, it would be recorded on the video.
But the damn phone would not come on.
Yeah.
And I had tested it just a few hours earlier in the day.
And yeah, it worked fine.
Interesting.
A lot of paranormal investigators talk about stuff like that happening.
Okay.
Battery's draining.
So, I brought extra batteries for everything.
Yeah, you were fully prepared.
Although that didn't happen to us.
It seemed like the people in the paranormal group were the ones who had jibber-jabbed the most.
Yes.
I guess, they felt obliged to sort of entertain and inform everyone.
Yeah.
But I think it's exactly what they did.
And you could tell it was a group of people who knew each other because they were socializing and telling stories.
Especially during that 90 minutes, we were waiting to split up into groups.
Yeah.
They were just having...
Happy hour.
Yeah.
While we're around.
Millie was kind of upset about that.
Yeah.
She said something like you were already waiting for an hour or something.
Yeah, you've already wasted an hour of our time.
Yeah.
Yeah, she was a little upset.
Rightfully so though.
So.
Something didn't want us to investigate.
Yeah.
Do you remember why?
Yeah, and we got stuck in the elevator for...
The same elevator that we went up.
Yeah.
To go to the meeting in a second or...
Yeah.
We got in that elevator to go back down to the first floor.
It went down and the doors would not open.
When it would not open up, we got stuck in there for 20 minutes.
Yeah.
And what was bad about that was...
Before we split up into groups, they told us,
"Put your phones in airplane mode so that the phone signals won't interfere with the equipment."
Yeah.
Well, everybody had their phones on airplane mode and we couldn't have called anybody if they...
Yeah, you're correct.
So...
Yeah.
We ended up pushing the emergency button on the elevator several times and somebody came on
and said, "Hold this button down for 10 seconds and hold that button down for 10 seconds."
And then...
Would it start to move?
It moved.
It kind of jerks upwards and then it stops.
And then we decided to hit the second-floor button and go back up and see if the doors would open on it and it did.
We did, yeah.
And then the one kind of elevator after that.
You did really well.
I didn't think you'd handle it that well.
I don't really have the claustrophobia like I did five years ago.
Yeah.
Yeah, because before you would have freaked out.
What I would have done was I would have said, "Okay, you people get on the elevator and I'll take the next one."
Yeah.
I didn't, and we didn't and...
It could have made for a very boring night.
Oh, we can't imagine if we spent four or five hours in the elevator.
No, no.
No, that would have sucked.
That would have ruined the evening definitely.
But something did not want us...
Okay.
Has anyone ever tried using artificial intelligence to find EVPs?
Not that I know of.
And I think there's a good reason for that.
Why is that?
Because they're so quiet.
It's just barely, barely, above the background noise.
Okay.
And I don't think software is really good enough to detect that and decide that that's speech.
Okay.
That's fair enough.
We got two possible EVPs at the Tuskegee Air exhibit.
I hope people know who the Tuskegee Airmen are.
Yeah.
It was a black fighter squadron near Tuskegee.
And I think there's been several movies about them talking about them.
That was the first place we went to after we left the first floor.
We went up the stairs to the second floor and went right to that exhibit.
Millie, and Bubba did one side and then I turned and went the other way down another hall.
And scared the hell out of me because the first thing I saw was a mannequin standing right there.
And I was not expecting something standing there.
Yeah.
That's funny.
So, I asked the same questions that we'd asked on the first floor.
And we did get a couple of replies on a couple of them.
But before we do that, I want to talk about my practice session.
About a week before we went to the investigation, I had made up those 20-something questions.
And I wanted to practice doing that.
So, I went to a park near our house where I like to walk a lot of times.
And there is a spot in that park where it's often cold.
Like, even when it's like a hundred degrees out, it feels cold right there.
And I thought if there's any spot where there might be an entity that I could record, that would be the spot.
The only problem with that park is it's right next to a highway.
So, cars going by all the time.
But I figured I'd try it anyway just to keep it just for the practice.
And I did get something.
I asked the same questions.
And the question that I got the reply on, I don't think was the question that they were answering.
Because the question I asked was, "Do you know where you are right now?"
And then I asked, "What religion do you practice?"
And I think I got an answer to the first question, which was, "Do you know where you are right now?"
Because I believe it said, "Can't wait to get out of here."
I'll play that.
What religion do you practice? Can't wait to get out of here
And I'll repeat it. Can't wait to get out of here.
That seems pretty plain to me.
It did.
The first time I listened to it; it took me a while to figure out what the words were.
But once you know...
It's hard to...
Yeah, everybody that I've played it for, it's just gave them chills.
Yeah, it started with me when you played it for me.
So...
So, I had practiced up for the investigation.
And when we got to the Tuskegee Airmen exhibit, I did get a couple of answers.
The first one was same question, "What religion do you practice?"
And I believe the reply was, "Islam."
What religion do you practice? "Ismam."
You can just barely hear it, but I didn't do any enhancement or anything.
I just wanted to audio exactly the way it was.
I can't hear it.
And the other question that I asked that I got a response on was,
"What was your happiest moment in life?"
And the answer was "gathering around."
What was your happiest moment in life? "Gathering around."
It's, I think, a little more clear than the religion question.
Yeah, yeah.
It's not as straightforward, I don't think. It's not as loud.
Oh, yeah.
That's why I said that I don't think you could use artificial intelligence
because it's just so quiet.
And you could hear the echoes in my voice.
Everything that you said in that place echoed, except for those responses.
Yeah, that's true. I didn't think of that.
Okay, the heart monitor on my watch, if my heart rate goes above a certain percentage,
it'll put an alarm on the screen on my watch.
And that happened right before each one of those questions.
Oh, really?
And I think the first one was probably because of that mannequin that I saw.
Yeah, you had probably made your heart...
But the second one, it's interesting that my heart rate went up.
Right, that much.
Right when each one of those questions was answered.
That's interesting.
And if I didn't have that on my phone, I wouldn't have even known.
Yeah, yeah.
What do you think about using a spirit box?
Okay, I mentioned a lot of people listening to a spirit box.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
They probably don't either.
They didn't have one at the paranormal investigation.
None of the people that were running it brought one.
Yeah.
Which I kind of liked because I think there are a bunch of hokum.
Okay.
Have you ever seen a police scanner work?
It scans up and down the frequencies.
And whenever there's a channel that somebody's talking on, it stops.
Well, a spirit box is just like that.
It scans up and down the channels, except it doesn't stop.
It just keeps scanning.
Okay.
So, you get little pieces of conversation and music and whatever is on the radio at the time.
And people say that they hear voices.
Well, it's just silly to me.
Of course, you're going to get voices because they've got their transmitting on the radio.
But some people just believe it.
Yeah.
That's interesting.
And they sell lots of them.
Really?
I can see why they use them on the TV shows because it's a quick way to get something interesting
on the show instead of showing them sitting for four hours waiting for a whisper.
Yeah.
You're right.
I don't believe it.
No, and I kind of suspect maybe nobody in that group does either because nobody brought one.
One person did use an Ovilus type app on her phone.
An Ovilus is another piece of technology that I just think is a bunch of hokum.
Supposedly, it has a database of words and the spirits are somehow able to get into that device
and tell it to say words.
Okay.
How would a spirit do that?
No.
How would something that possibly doesn't even know what a cell phone is...
possibly uses it.
Yeah.
It seems to me like it is a device that spits out random words.
Yeah.
Just random thoughts.
Yeah, just random, not even thoughts, words, like you said.
And once again, I think you see that on TV shows because it's an easy way for them to make it entertaining.
They don't have to do anything but sit there and wait for it to spit out words.
Try to assign some kind of meaning to them.
Yeah.
It's correct.
Anyway, there was a woman who brought an app that does that.
And I have even less faith in an app than I do the Ovilus.
When she was doing it, it seemed obvious to me that these were just random words.
How about that?
It was saying.
That's funny.
How about the Estus method?
You don't know what the Estus method is.
Nope.
Well, the Estus method was first done in Estus Park, which I believe is where that hotel is that Stephen King wrote The Shining at.
I think so.
Yeah.
So, it's called the Estus method.
And what they did was they took one person and put noise cancelling headphones on them and covered their eyes.
So, they had no contamination.
They couldn't tell what was going on around them.
And then somebody would ask, oh, and it's hooked up to the headphones are hooked up to a spirit box.
Okay.
Which I think is the weakest part of the experiment, but you already know how I feel about spirit boxes.
But while they were in this state, another person would ask questions.
And then the person who was listening to the headphones would just blurt out whatever words they thought they heard.
I can kind of see if it was like white noise or ocean sounds or something like that to block them hearing the questions.
But the fact that there's a spirit box just.
Yeah. And I think that's something we should try some time, but just with like I said with white noise and see if the person who's denied, you know, their senses could hear something in it that something is trying to communicate to them.
Okay.
I think it's sort of a valid method of doing it.
I just don't like the spirit box thing.
Something to try.
Okay. Fortunately, no aircraft took off or landed
At the nearby Air Force Base, while we were there.
That was something I was very worried about.
Yeah.
Because it's not a recording sound.
And if one of those KC-135 tankers had taken off during that time.
And it takes a while for those planes to get up and going.
And especially in that big, echoey museum.
That would have been terrible.
There was when I was reviewing the recordings, there was a train at one time.
And unfortunately, in our town, you can't go any more than 10 minutes without train going by.
But I think most of the time, the air was blowing in the opposite direction and that kind of carries the sound away.
And I only heard the train once.
One person said she saw shadows in the second story of the rotunda.
So, I got out the laser grid and set it up.
That's when I, I didn't, I knew the camera wasn't going to work.
I set up the laser grid anyway.
And there was another woman who had the same kind of laser grid
that I did. And she aimed hers on the opposite side of the building.
So, the whole floor was covered in little green dots.
And I don't know if you know, I think you went to sit down around that time so you probably weren't there.
Yeah, I don't recall seeing that.
But there were no shadows after that.
Really? Well, I did see a shadow.
You were like a child near the rotunda. I remember seeing that. I told you about that.
So, I don't know maybe if that was a torment or after.
I couldn't remember if that was it the rotunda or if that was in the children's play area.
It was in the rotunda.
I was up in the northeast corner, back with the...
There's a store room up there.
But now I was looking at the lens where they do the bombing.
It was the camera for dropping bombs. I was looking at that and I saw it.
And my corner, my eye right there.
And I was looking southeast. That's when I saw it.
So, I thought I was a kid.
Kind of on the opposite wall where the view of the city is.
Yeah, exactly.
So...
And fortunately, they hit those curtains drawn on the...
There wasn't any light coming in.
Yeah.
That was very interesting and I don't think you told me about that until we got home.
I thought I told you there.
Maybe you did.
A lot went on that.
Yeah, a lot did.
The motion activated lights that I brought did not detect any disembodied entities walking by.
They were like...
Like when you have a motion detector light in your backyard, only they run on batteries.
And I had four of them, I think.
Put them in the hall.
And the one nice thing about them was when somebody did come walking by,
those things went off.
So, I would know that the footsteps that I was hearing was not any kind of entity.
It was a human being.
That sent them off.
Yeah.
We also had some cat balls.
There are toys for cats that when you touch them, they light up.
And I had brought, I don't know, like ten of them.
And I believe you said you saw one of them.
One of one off.
Yeah.
Was it in the hallway?
Yeah.
Because I remember when we got to the children's play area, I told you to put them out and you put them out.
And then you took them right back up again.
Yeah, because I saw one of them go off.
Yeah, I was "no".
I wasn't going to play around.
It doesn't...
They're physically turning things on.
No.
So.
What?
Well, as I said earlier, I think intent is part of it.
So, if you're, if you don't want it to happen, then it's probably not.
That's why I put the balls away.
And I wanted it to keep happening.
If I saw one of them go, I would just be fascinated.
Oh, I know you would.
I would not.
You would have put more down.
I would not say, "Okay, we'll go home now."
No.
I didn't think I'd go home.
Did I?
You stayed.
Okay.
And I brought a theremin.
You know what a theremin is?
Yeah.
You know it is.
What it is.
But I bet most of the listeners, it's a device that has an antenna.
And it's a musical instrument.
One of the first electronic musical instruments.
Basically, Star Trek.
There.
That's a theremin, everybody.
That's a theremin.
Yeah.
It's an antenna.
And the closer you put your hand to it, the louder.
And you play different notes by moving your hand back and forth.
And so, I thought that would make a pretty good ghost detector.
But I never got it out and used it.
You know.
You said something to me about it.
They didn't seem very interested.
When you brought it up to the paranormal group.
I did?
Yeah.
What do you think about using a psychic?
I think about even less of that than I do of using a spirit box.
Okay.
There are probably not all charlatans.
But most of them say that what they do is for entertainment purposes only.
Yeah.
And some of them may actually believe that they're talking to the dead.
But I don't know.
When I see one on one of those paranormal shows.
I'm thinking to myself the same thing that I do about the spirit box in the Ovilus.
It gives them something that they can record in the show to make the show interesting.
Yeah.
Instead of four hours of sitting in the dark waiting for whispers.
That's true.
An easy way to make an easy way for entertainment.
It's definitely not very scientific.
No.
Not that any of it is really.
But.
Huh.
What do you think about going to some of the Bleeding Kansas sites?
That could be.
I think it would be interesting to know what Bleeding Kansas is.
Civil War was in it during the, if we were going to decide if we were going to be your Confederate Union State.
Yeah.
A group of abolitionists who were basically like terrorists.
Up in my, like up in Lawrence area and Bloody Kansas.
That's as close as our state came to any kind of a battleground.
Yeah.
I think that would be an interesting trip to go to even just to see that.
Yeah.
Most of them are up around the Kansas City area.
I knew that.
The Kansas Missouri border.
Okay.
How about the Piatt Memorial Park with the "Raggy 42" K-135 refuel tanker crashed?
That would be interesting.
That could be very overwhelming though.
That's a lot of death in one.
Yeah.
There were ten houses that burnt to the ground.
They made a park out of that block.
Yeah.
It could be.
It could be very intense.
Yeah.
I don't know that I want to go do that after dark.
No.
Especially in the neighborhood.
It's in.
I wasn't going to say that.
Well, I'm just being honest.
That's something very brief.
I don't want to go at night.
To middle-aged white guys.
No. Thank you.
I think it would be interesting to do some investigating at the historic Cowtown Museum.
I think that would be the best.
Controlled.
Mm-hmm.
And my mother is on the board, so we could probably arrange that.
And you're right.
It would be controlled.
There wouldn't be 30 people milling around walking and talking all the time.
Yeah.
Would you want to do it overnight one?
Yeah.
Okay.
A lot of paranormal investigations are done at night simply because there's less traffic going by.
There's less sound.
Less outside noise.
Yeah.
That's why they do it that way.
Okay.
So, you've learned that you need to remove the lanyard from the field recorders.
Yes.
The lanyard has a little plastic, what they call a finder, I think.
Anyway, it's got a little plastic thing that holds the cord together.
And it was tapping on the back of the field recorder.
If I didn't have the lanyard wrapped around my wrist, then it was just kind of dangling and it would keep hitting.
Oh, ok.
And that just--
So, we're crazy?
Well, then other kind of contamination that I--
You need to try to avoid.
Yeah.
So, I took those lanyards off the field recorders and I put them on the little tripods that we're using.
So that they can't--
Interfere--
They can't hit the recorder.
All right.
So that was one lesson learned.
Yeah.
We learned a lot from this.
I think so.
I'd like to do--
I'd like to volunteer to do their website.
Ok.
Because it's--
It's adequate, but it's kind of plain.
And if they have any evidence that they would want to show, it's not on there.
Well, really all it does is say find us on Facebook.
Ok.
Huh.
That's interesting.
One of the other things it would be neat if you do that, you may enjoy it.
Mm-hmm.
All right.
Would you have a joke for us this week?
Yes.
Okay.
Why is dark spilled with a K and not a C?
I don't know.
Why?
Because you can't C in the dark.
Ah, good.
That's good play on words.
I like that.
You didn't laugh out loud though.
Ha-ha-ha.
There you go.
All right.
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